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    Reintroduction of Beavers in the San Pedro



    Beaver were reintroduced in the San Pedro River in 1992.

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    The Canal that Accidentally Grew a Forest in the Arizona Desert



    Permaculture instructor Andrew Millison visits the Central Arizona Project canal and shows how the raised canal structure has inadvertently become a major water harvesting swale that stretches across a wide landscape, and is one of the broadest examples of a desert swale in existence...all by accident!

    CORRECTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS
    1) MATH IS CORRECT: What I said was: "It was started in 1973, the year I was born, and it was completed in 1993. So this is about 30 years of this canal being here". This canal has been here since 1993. It is now 2022. That's about 30 years that this canal has been here.
    2) The yearly evaporation from the canal is 5 billion gallons, not 5 million gallons.
    3) The CAP doesn't supply 80% of Arizona's population. It reaches 80% of Arizona's population. These are two different things.
    Sorry about that!!!

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    I wonder if they ever plan to copy India and cover it with solar panels. India is covering a bunch of irrigation canals with PV panels to reduce evaporation but also generate some power at the same time.
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    The Canal that Accidentally Grew a Forest in the Arizona Desert

    I saw this video too. I thought it was pretty interesting.

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    Now Disney wants to mine the desert with planned communities...



    With the news that Disney is launching "Storyliving by Disney" with the goal of developing new residential communities across the United States, starting with "Cotino - A Storyliving by Disney" community in Rancho Mirage, California. We discuss whether what this all means and will it be another Celebration, Florida.

    Midway to Main Street's "Celebration Florida: Disney's Not So Perfect Town" - https://youtu.be/e2e0-fLYNWo

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    Meanwhile the scientific research shows this is the worst drought in at least 800 years in the US West!
    And will probably continue for a decade or more
    with Climate Change...we have little clue as to long term outcome except not to bet on previous norms or stability.
    So guess what may happen to any poor sod in the region?

    Fucking corporations and banks are the enemy of Humanity, sigh

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    Former Central California water manager stole $25 million in water over 23 years, prosecutors say

    The former general manager of a Central Valley water district has been charged with stealing more than $25 million worth of water over 23 years, the latest development in a years-long saga of corruption and theft, federal authorities said Thursday.

    A federal grand jury returned a five-count indictment against 75-year-old Aptos resident Dennis Falaschi, according to the U.S. attorney's office for the Eastern District of California.

    He faces one count each of conspiracy and theft of government property, and three counts of filing false tax returns, according to the indictment.

    Falaschi was the general manager for the Panoche Water District, which serves portions of Frenso and Merced counties near Dos Patos, Firebaugh and Los Banos, according to court documents.

    The indictment does not name the water district, but in 2018, then-California Atty. Gen. Xavier Becerra announced the arrest and filing of felony charges against five individuals for the misuse of public funds amid widespread corruption at the district.

    Falaschi is among the defendants in the ongoing state case.

    The water theft scheme began in 1992, according to the federal indictment.

    That year, Falaschi was informed that an aging, abandoned drain turnout on the Delta-Mendota Canal, part of the federal Central Valley Project, was leaking water into a parallel canal that the water district controlled, the document stated.

    A gate inside a pipe that connected the two canals had been cemented shut years earlier when the drain was abandoned, but the cement had cracked, according to the indictment.

    After learning about the leak, Falaschi allegedly told a water district employee to install a new gate inside the standpipe, which could be opened and closed on demand, the document stated. He later told the employee to put in a lid with a lock on top of the standpipe, and a roughly two-foot elbow pipe angled at 90 degrees into the water district's canal.

    "The lid concealed the theft because it prevented people from seeing that the gate inside the standpipe was functional," prosecutors said. "The elbow pipe further concealed and expedited the theft because it enclosed the water flow from the Delta-Mendota Canal into the water district’s canal and was installed in such a way that it was generally submerged under the water."

    Falaschi then told employees to use the new gate and pipe to steal federal water from the canal "on multiple occasions," prosecutors said.

    "He used the proceeds of the theft to pay himself and others exorbitant salaries, fringe benefits, and personal expense reimbursements," prosecutors said.

    The diverted water was unmetered and traveled to a water district pump station, where it was lifted into the district's broader canal system, according to the indictment. It was combined with the district's other water sources and either sold to customers or pumped back into the federal canal so the district could collect water credits.

    During the scheme, Falaschi allegedly told water district employees to misclassify the stolen water as reclaimed runoff from farms in reports presented to the district's board of directors, court documents stated.

    In all, more than 130,000 acre-feet of water was stolen, according to the indictment.

    An acre-foot is the amount of water needed to cover one acre of land in a foot of water and is the standard unit of measurement in the water industry.

    In April 2015, drought lowered the canals' water level enough for the pipe, lid and drain turnout to be discovered by authorities, according to the indictment.

    Federal authorities also alleged Falaschi falsified tax returns from 2015 to 2017 and failed to report over $900,000 in income to the Internal Revenue Service that he received from private water sales, according to court documents.

    The federal case comes after state officials opened an ongoing criminal case against Falaschi and four other defendants.

    In 2017, investigators discovered 86 drums holding thousands of gallons of hazardous waste illegally buried in a Panoche Water District yard, according to coverage of the state case by The Times.

    The state's case expanded to include allegations of misconduct that were revealed by an audit.

    In a statement, Falaschi's attorney Marc Days said his client plans to plead not guilty to the federal charges.

    "We just received the indictment and need additional time to review it," Days told The Times. "The indictment appears based on lies and misstatements."

    The attorney said he plans to make further comments on the case "in the very near future."

    If convicted on all federal charges, Falaschi faces a maximum sentence of 18 years in prison and up to $750,000 in fines, prosecutors said.

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    Tucson votes to give up some of its CAP water to help save Lake Mead

    TUCSON, Ariz. (KOLD News 13) - The Tucson City Council voted unanimously to give back about a third of its Central Arizona Project water allocation to help an ailing Lake Mead.

    The lake, hit hard by a prolonged drought, is at 31% capacity and dropping. It provides water for 20 million people in Arizona, California and Nevada as well as large swaths of farmland.

    “I feel that the city of Tucson is in a position where we can add water back to the lake, specifically Lake Mead,” said Tucson Mayor Regina Romero before the vote.

    Tucson receives about 144,000 acre feet of water from the lake annually but uses only about 100,000. For years, the city has been storing the surplus underground and has more than seven years of CAP water banked.

    So it feels it can help the lake retain some of its health.

    “I feel it is our moral obligation as a Mayor and council, as a city, that has prepared for this day to come,” Romero said. “So we have a very special place in this particular situation.”

    What the city of Tucson is proposing to do is similar to a program which went into effect this year called 500+. Several Indian tribes and local jurisdictions, including Phoenix and Las Vegas, have not taken their full allocations of CAP water, leaving it in Lake Mead. They will leave 500,000 acre feet in the lake every year through 2026 raising the level by 16 feet.

    Tucson Water declined to participate in part because CAP said it had enough to fulfill the needs of the program and Tucson was notified at a late date, not giving it enough time to make an informed decision. The city told CAP it would participate if needed. Phoenix is being paid for setting aside part of its allotment. It isn’t known if Tucson will get paid as well.

    “The important part is that we are all at the table right now trying to figure out how to avoid tanking Mead,” said Ward 6 City Commissioner Steve Kozachik.

    The City of Phoenix Water Resources Management Advisor Cynthia Campbell told us:

    “Phoenix is already participating in the 500+ Plan. Tucson and Phoenix have a long-standing history of partnership in water management, including collaborative work in the creation of system conservation water to benefit the Colorado River system. In the event Tucson wishes to take further action, Phoenix will consider how it can partner with Tucson to benefit the Colorado River system.”

    Tucson met behind closed doors to discuss the matter this afternoon because it’s decision contained legal issues which can’t be made public at this time but the legal considerations are “all towards agreements that are designed to help forestall shortages on the river and maintain levels in Lake Mead” according to City Attorney Mike Rankin.

    Tucson has long been a leader in water conservation in Arizona cutting its water use to less than 80 gallons a day per capita, far below the state average. Still, it appears city water users will likely have to do more.

    “I can’t predict what’s going to happen on the river nobody can,” said Sharon Megdal, the Director of The University of Arizona Water Resources Research Center. “But I will predict yes,.. there will be some local impact and pain, I couldn’t say otherwise.”

    Just how deep that pain will be will be determined by Mother Nature and how the communities respond to what will be, if not now, a water crisis.

    “But I do believe communities will come together and adapt,” Megdal said.

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    what do they mean legal issues that cannot be made public? Its a city government, this is not the latest stealth aircraft for the AF and a contract with the Skunkworks.

    I mean still good they are trying to save the lake but there is something very shady when a city says the legal issue around the public water supply cannot be discussed in public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilanFyretracker View Post
    what do they mean legal issues that cannot be made public? Its a city government, this is not the latest stealth aircraft for the AF and a contract with the Skunkworks.

    I mean still good they are trying to save the lake but there is something very shady when a city says the legal issue around the public water supply cannot be discussed in public.
    Actually, there can be a number of completely valid reasons not to hold public discussions about an issue. Remember, the city may not be the only party to the agreement; at the very least, there are likely other parties who are involved/affected even if they are not signatories (businesses, landowners, native american tribes, etc). There may be quite legitimate reasons to protect the privacy of those other parties, particularly if confidential information about a person/organization/business has been disclosed to the city as part of the negotiations related to the existing agreements.

    Sometimes things are discussed behind closed doors because they are sketchy. But not always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarbonius View Post
    Sometimes things are discussed behind closed doors because they are sketchy. But not always.
    When I was working for the water district, which was a public utility, our board had closed sessions several times a year. There are water decisions that do need to be discussed without the public, although eventually they were made public.
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    They may also want to keep this low-key since in Arizona the Trump-tard caravans of soot spewing trucks are ready to roll for any little thing...

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    How Beavers Are Restoring Wetlands in North American Deserts!



    In the deserts of north America something incredible is happening, these arid lands are turning into lush green wetlands and its all because of a very secretive creature who only comes out at night and the results are surprising everyone!

    Determined, relentless and even stubborn are words commonly used to describe one natures hardest workers, they work tirelessly through the night, night after night, while most people are asleep...
    I'm talking about beavers of course and despite their controversial and complex relationship with man in the past, there are a growing number in the science world who are coming to the realization that beavers could actually be a friend and not foe, who can help us win the fight to save the environment.

    In this video we will show you how beavers have saved desert rivers over the course of 12 years, and the landscapes beavers create that can help to fight wildfires, reduce drought and reverse declining fish numbers we are going to look at two case studies of beavers effects on rivers in two completely different desert regions of north America, one in a northern cold and dry desert zone in Oregon and the other in the hotter and even drier southern desert in Nevada.

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    Arizona to end deal allowing Saudi farms to suck Arizona's groundwater dry



    Fondomonte and Almarai grow alfalfa in Arizona, cut it, bale it and truck it to port. Then it's shipped back to Saudi Arabia to feed dairy cows.

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    Huge Microsoft plant is draining tiny Arizona town of its water supply to power AI and cloud development - with locals furious tech giant is redacting its figures in city's records

    • Microsoft's data center at Goodyear, Arizona, will use an estimate 56 million gallons of water a year when it's completed
    • The desert town risks running out of water if they allow more centers to open


    Microsoft's massive new AI data center is using up a small Arizona desert town's water supply and redacting its exact consumption from city documents.

    The 279-acre campus in Goodyear will use an estimated 56 million gallons of water a year when it's completed - as much as 670 families need for a year, according to a report in The Atlantic.

    The plant opened in 2021 with two buildings, and plans for a third, designed for use by Microsoft and the heavily Microsoft-funded OpenAI.

    Powering AI requires vast amounts of electricity, which in turn generates heat and requires water to cool servers down.

    Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes told The Atlantic: 'We're going to have to make tough choices in the near future to make sure our state is protected for future generations.'

    The state has been tackling extreme weather, droughts and high temperatures over the last few years.

    Last summer was Phoenix's hottest on record, with 55 days of temperatures over 110 degrees, stretching the grid to the max.

    It was compounded by the worse drought the region has faced in 1,000 years, with the Colorado River, which provides drinking water and hydropower, dwindling.

    High-demand factories and plants strain the water supply even further.

    Attorney General Kris Mayes told the Atlantic: 'Allowing one more data center to come to our state is an easy but stupid decision in a lot of cases.'

    Microsoft has refused to provide the exact figures on their Goodyear center's water use, according to The Atlantic.
    They reportedly redacted exact figures in city records, saying it is 'proprietary' information.

    But they did provide an estimate, saying it will use 56 million gallons of water a year once the third building is completed.

    It is not just a problem in Arizona, researchers at UC Riverside estimated last year that global AI demand could cause data centers to use up to 1.7 trillion gallons of fresh water by 2027.

    Microsoft say they are continually striving to improve the sustainability of their data centers and to be 'good neighbors'.

    Barbara Chappell, Goodyear’s water-services director, told the outlet that on the whole they aren't concerned and have a good relationship with Microsoft.

    But one former Microsoft employee told The Atlantic that they were 'being lazy' and said there was much more they could do.

    DailyMail.com has contacted Microsoft for comment.

    AI and cloud computing data centers do not only pose a problem to water, they also demand huge volumes of electricity.

    Recent figures suggest swaths of the US are at risk of power outages with artificial intelligence data centers and cryptocurrency mines doubling forecasted energy demand over the coming years.

    Without intervention, the already ailing national grid will be pushed to its limits by skyrocketing demand, driven by rapid innovations in AI, cryptocurrencies and clean energy initiatives all of which require vast amounts of power.

    Speaking at Davos last year, OpenAI CEO, Sam Altman, said: 'We still don’t appreciate the energy needs of this technology, there’s no way to get there without a breakthrough.'

    Projections for electricity demand over the next nine years have more than doubled from 221,000 gigawatt hours last year to 564,000 gigawatt hours this year, according to the North American Electric Reliability Corp.

    The rise is being driven largely by developments in AI, cloud computing and cryptocurrency mining all of which require large data centers which in turn consume vast amounts of power.

    The International Energy Agency (IEA) predicts that globally 'electricity consumption from data centers, artificial intelligence (AI) and the cryptocurrency sector could double by 2026.'

    By 2026, they say global data centers' energy demand will equal that of the entirety of Japan.

    There are currently an estimated 2,700 data centers within the US according to the IEA, which sapped over four percent of the nation's electricity in 2022.

    They predict that by 2026, their consumption will rise to six percent.

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    why do they keep building these in states without water? Also why do data centers need so much water, cant they just use air-air heat exchangers? I get that a normal condenser is not as effective as a "water tower" but there must be some way to end the waste.

    Hell why not build them all in the Dakotas, half the year you could just blow outside air into the servers because -15f air would be amazing for keeping boost clocks up. Build them on the coast and just use stainless steel heat exchangers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilanFyretracker View Post
    why do they keep building these in states without water? Also why do data centers need so much water, cant they just use air-air heat exchangers? I get that a normal condenser is not as effective as a "water tower" but there must be some way to end the waste.

    Hell why not build them all in the Dakotas, half the year you could just blow outside air into the servers because -15f air would be amazing for keeping boost clocks up. Build them on the coast and just use stainless steel heat exchangers.
    The answer, of course, is those states don't regulate them at all. Good for their bottom line, horrible for everyone else. You can see how much they care about people but that is pretty standard in business these days. Making Blade Runner a documentary is a goal of theirs.

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    My city just killed a data center project the county was trying to push on the edge of town.

    Tucson City Council votes to end Project Blue

    TUCSON, Ariz. (13 News) - The project that would bring a data center to Pima County may be dead.

    The Tucson City Council voted unanimously to direct city staff to stop all work on Project Blue on Wednesday, Aug. 6.

    The vote orders an end to further discussion or development of the project.

    The Pima County Board of Supervisors approved selling the project 290 acres north of the Pima County Fairgrounds for the center. Project Blue still required the city’s approval of a development agreement and annexation of the land.

    The Tucson City Council will now discuss guardrails for any future data center proposals.

    “I think that we need to attend to two issues, one: we need to decide the future of Project Blue in the city of Tucson; and two: Tucson needs and deserves clear and enforceable guardrails to provide the greatest protection to our residents and environment when it comes to data centers,” she told the council at the Wednesday study session.

    The council agreed to consider an ordinance on large water users at its August 19 meeting.

    “We want to make it clear to the manager that we want to end staff engagement around that project,” Ward Six Tucson City Councilmember Karin Uhlich said about the future of Project Blue.

    More than 100 people filled the council chambers with people opposed to the project. As many held signs reminding the council to represent them and also to express concern about the proposed data center’s water usage, each councilmember explained why they would vote to stop further consideration.

    “In addition to the water use, this was a problem because of the energy use,” Ward Three Councilmember Kevin Dahl said.

    In her Ward 4 Newsletter, Nikki Lee said she believes the data center will still become a reality.

    “And I also, which was a little less popular, had to turn over the other stone and look at the other side of the coin and say, what does this look like if we say no?” Lee explained before she voted to stop Project Blue.

    The unanimous vote sent the crowd cheering, and those in the room said that they expect future proposals to have clear guidelines.

    There’s plenty of room in the US to build data centers in places that are better suited for it than Tucson,” said Ed Hendel, co-founder of Sky Island AI.

    “This is the outcome we were looking for. We need to go back to the drawing board and make sure the protections are in pace that we need here for Tucson and that’s what we saw today. We’re very happy,” said Kate Hotten, co-executive director for Sonoran Desert Protection.

    The mayor and council criticized how the project made it this far. They both called for city staff to align their activities more with the city’s general plan values and also questioned the activities of the board of supervisors and its staff.

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    Good for them DCs really do not offer a city any benefits. Lots of people will argue that they bring property taxes but the thing is they often get sweetened deals on that which means the city gains nothing. DCs do not hire enough people to be job creators once they are finished. You would be better off with an Amazon warehouse.
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