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    why piss him off? because IMO its morally right to help Ukraine defend itself from this invasion.
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    Re: So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the

    Quote Originally Posted by FilanFyretracker View Post
    why piss him off? because IMO its morally right to help Ukraine defend itself from this invasion.
    You would think...but then we have Putin quislings like Chomsky, Waters and Silverblade.

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    Re: So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the

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    Chomsky
    That one boggles the mind.

    Setting aside for the moment that his parents were Askenazic Jewish Immigrants, how the fuck do ANY of his self-declared political stances line up with simping for that authoritarian asshat?

    Like..

    Anarcho-syndicalism is centered on the idea that power corrupts and that any hierarchy that cannot be ethically justified must be dismantled
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    libertarian socialism rejects the state's control of the economy under state socialism. The core tenets of libertarian socialism are decentralization, democracy, popular sovereignty and individual liberty.
    Someone invent a psychic treadmill because the mental gymnastics involved in ascribing to stuff like that and in any way condoning anything about Putin could remove our dependence on precious metals for batteries.
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    Re: So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the

    Quote Originally Posted by Merrick ap'Milandra View Post
    That one boggles the mind.

    Setting aside for the moment that his parents were Askenazic Jewish Immigrants, how the fuck do ANY of his self-declared political stances line up with simping for that authoritarian asshat?

    Like..

    and

    Someone invent a psychic treadmill because the mental gymnastics involved in ascribing to stuff like that and in any way condoning anything about Putin could remove our dependence on precious metals for batteries.
    Right Wingers are not the only ones who simp for authoritarian regimes - the far left have always been all about Mother Russia. The genocide denial in respect to something like the Holodomor is their constant whataboutism that fails to address Russia's actions.

    Hell, ostensibly progressive leftist The Young Turks were all about denying the Armenian Genocide until it became financially untenable to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hubris Of America

    I met a traveller from an antique land,
    Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
    And on the pedestal, these words appear:
    My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
    Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away....



    https://www.firstpost.com/world/japa...-12398062.html

    https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ts-2023-04-03/

    and I could go on in that vein , as countries ditch the USA and it's Dollar
    Syria, Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia are basically telling the US to get the fuck out of Syria where the US in it's "peace loving mission of freedom and democracy" has been stealing tens of thousands of barrels of oil each day, while supporting ISIS and other scum

    Oh and America's vaunted plans to make hypersonic cruise missiles...failed once more
    Ain't it funny who "ass backward, gas station economy" Russia, which supposedly has to use second hand washing machine chips to make missiles, is the only one who developed such technology, hm?
    Oh and gave it to the Chinese.

    Again:
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    Chomsky, a "Quisling", JFC....have you lot lost the plot

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    So it's been just a little over a year since the Bucha Massacre.
    For those who forgot or didn't know:
    The Bucha massacre (Ukrainian: Бучанська різанина, romanized: Buchanska rizanyna) was the mass murder of Ukrainian civilians and prisoners of war[12] by the Russian Armed Forces during the fight for and occupation of the city of Bucha as part of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Photographic and video evidence of the massacre emerged on 1 April 2022 after Russian forces withdrew from the city.
    According to local authorities, 458 bodies have been recovered from the town, including 9 children under the age of 18; among the victims, 419 people were killed by weapons and 39 appeared to have died of natural causes, possibly related to the occupation.
    Photos showed corpses of civilians, lined up with their hands bound behind their backs, shot at point-blank range, which ostensibly gave proof that summary executions had taken place.[18] An inquiry by Radio Free Europe reported the use of a basement beneath a campground as a torture chamber.[19][20] Many bodies were found mutilated and burnt,[21][22] and girls as young as fourteen reported being raped by Russian soldiers.
    Bucha is one of the reasons Putin has been charged by the ICC for war crimes, but it is not the only place.

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    My favourite part of the whole Trump saga today was when he started ranting about how Biden will start World War III with his support of Ukraine. Like, if Silverblade can't figure this thing out when he sees DONALD TRUMP repeating his talking points, word for word, he never will get it.

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65225985
    article on that huge Pentagon doc leak.

    You know its probably wrong for me to think this way but one of the first thoughts I had was "I wonder if any Qanons in the Congress are on an intel committee or have clearance? they love Russia and hate that we are supporting Ukraine, seems like motive".
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    It likely wouldn't cover foreign affairs like this, but Marjorie Taylor Greene is on Homeland Security. If she can be assigned to that, I'm sure one of those nutters is on a committee with access to this.

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    Head cut off with knife: Russian media report that video shows Wagner Group mercenaries

    The Wagner Group private military company (PMC) was involved in the murder of a Ukrainian prisoner of war, whose head was cut off while he was still alive, said Vladimir Osechkin, founder of the Russian human rights organization Gulagu.net.

    Source: Russian news agency Meduza; Osechkin on the YouTube channel Khodorkovsky LiveQuote from Osechkin: "We contacted Andrei Medvedev, the former commander of the first squad of the 4th platoon of the 7th assault squad of the Wagner PMC, who is currently in a deportation prison in Sweden. In Sweden, the detainees have access to mobile phones and computers. We sent him this video. He watched it several times. And he definitely recognises his colleagues, Wagner's PMC fighters, by their distinctive aliases, the way they speak, what they say on the radio, and other things."

    Details: He also announced a reward of €3,000 for any information about the people in the video to identify the killer and the person filming the execution.

    The sum is also planned to be increased with the help of donations to identify the killers and bring them to justice.

    Osechkin recalled that similar brutal murders have already been committed by Wagner PMC fighters; there is a video on the Internet of Wagner's men killing a prisoner with a sledgehammer in Syria, as well as a video of them dismembering a body.


    Background:

    • On the evening of 11 April, a video of the brutal murder of a Ukrainian prisoner was posted on social media. The footage shows a Russian soldier cutting off the head of a Ukrainian defender, who was still alive at the time, with a knife.
    • The Security Service of Ukraine (SSU) has launched a pre-trial investigation into the brutal murder of a Ukrainian prisoner. The head of the SSU stated that security forces would find the monsters who did this, even from underground.
    • President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called on world leaders to respond to the video of Russian occupiers cutting off the head of a Ukrainian prisoner.

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    Father of girl who drew anti-war art extradited to Russia

    The father of a Russian girl sent to an orphanage after drawing an antiwar sketch at school has been extradited from Belarus back to Russia, a human rights group reported Wednesday. He faces two years in prison there.

    Alexei Moskalyov fled house arrest just before his sentencing hearing last month in the town of Yefremov, south of Moscow. He was detained in Belarus two days later. According to the Belarusian human rights center Viasna, when visitors tried to find Moskalyov in a Belarussian prison on Wednesday, they were told he had been extradited to Russia.

    Moskalyov, 54 was charged over social media posts criticizing the war in Ukraine under a law adopted days after Russian troops invaded in February 2022. He rejected the accusations.

    In a case that drew international outrage, the father of 13-year-old Maria Moskalyova was convicted of discrediting the Russian military and handed a two-year prison term, while his daughter was dispatched to an orphanage.

    According to his lawyer and supporters, Moskalyov’s troubles began after his daughter drew a picture at Yefremov School No. 9 that depicted missiles flying over a Russian flag at a woman and child. The drawing also featured the words “No to war” and “Glory to Ukraine.” Moskalyov was fined and convicted over his social media posts.

    The Kremlin has been cracking down on dissent, targeting anyone who criticizes the war.

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    Queue Silverblade blaming the US for this *somehow* or playing whataboutism.

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    not surprise the father got handed over, Belarus is buddy buddy with Putin. Well at least they are in the government sense, No clue what the people think of being buddy with Russia.
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    Re: So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the

    Whinge, lies, bullshit to excuse America's insane warmongering as usual!
    "But think of the children!" and an incident, real or not, self inflicted by the CIA or not, where some suffer, is used to justify actions that kill hundreds of thousands or even millions
    You know, like the terrorism in Vietnam, Lockerbie Bombing, Beirut Barrack bombings, 9/11, my my so many convenient excuses for America's wars!

    this is America's reality


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    And this is one of the chief psychopathic bastards behind World War Three, oh look, another Ukrainian at the heart of it, who'd a thunk it?
    Talk about "The Face Of Evil!" yeesh!


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    Re: So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the

    These "leaks" should clue you in that I was right, again, as usual

    The Ukrainians have an online "hit list", believe I've mentioned that, funny thing is, it's website is hosted in Langley, Virginia, USA...oh who'd a thunk it?!
    And you know who they added to that list of "enemies of Ukraine", hm?
    US politician, Rand Paul, for daring to question why all those billions should be wasted on an insane war that cannot be won

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets

    You complacent idiots supported the Iraq, Syrian and other wars as well as dozens of coups...how'd those turn out, what was the truith when finally revealed, hm?
    But this conflict is very different, the American Empire has, like Wile Coyote, run out of road, and is on the way down due to it's own bloody hubris, sigh
    Save yourselves and your families while you still can

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    Damn, it's so much fun when I am right

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    Re: So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the

    Ukraine investigating video of Russian troops beheading Ukrainian soldier/

    Russia is facing new accusations of war crimes in Ukraine after two videos emerged online in the past week of what appear to be Russian soldiers beheading Ukrainian prisoners of war. The first video, which initially circulated on Russian Telegram channels, seems to show a Russian soldier using a knife to decapitate a still-alive man in a Ukrainian military uniform as a group of Russian soldiers look on. In another video of what seems to be a separate event, footage purportedly taken by Russian mercenaries with the paramilitary Wagner Group shows the beheaded bodies of two Ukrainian soldiers next to a destroyed military vehicle.
    Russian forces have a documented history of committing atrocities—against both civilians and prisoners of war—in Ukraine since their February 2022 invasion. The International Criminal Court last month issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin over his unlawful deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia. Ukrainian troops have also been credibly accused of war crimes, including the killing of captured Russian soldiers, though on a vastly smaller scale than Russian forces. Importantly, Ukraine’s government has opened investigations into alleged incidents by its own forces. The Kremlin, by contrast, has lavished praise on its war fighters for their actions. Most notably, Putin awarded the 64th Separate Guards Motor Rifle Brigade last April for its fighting in Bucha, Ukraine, where mass graves of massacred civilians were discovered after Russian forces withdrew from the city.

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    Re: So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverblade-T-E View Post
    You complacent idiots supported the Iraq, Syrian and other wars as well as dozens of coups...how'd those turn out, what was the truith when finally revealed, hm?
    But this conflict is very different, the American Empire has, like Wile Coyote, run out of road, and is on the way down due to it's own bloody hubris, sigh
    Save yourselves and your families while you still can
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    Whinge, lies, bullshit to excuse America's insane warmongering as usual!
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverblade-T-E View Post
    Again:
    HOW MANY PLAGUES ON YOUR HOUSE WILL IT TAKE TO BREAK THROUGH YOUR ARROGANCE, hm?
    Yeesh!
    Who... who exactly do you think is posting here, Silver?

    I mean, you're raging against the injustices perpetrated by Western nations. Yes, we all get that.

    But you are a citizen of the UK, just like I am a citizen of Canada, and Baelan is a citizen of the US.

    None of us are driving international policy for our respective nations. I'd wager that none of us are within shouting distance of being able to influence anyone who is able to influence anyone who might be able to make a suggestion about regional policy, much less foreign affairs.


    So why are you shitting on us, exactly? Will you continue holding us here at Graffe's accountable for the sins of our political leaders until those leaders see the light and change their ways? Does that make any sense? Or is this just about finding a convenient target to abuse? An outlet for your rage against the world, that you can justify to yourself as somehow deserving of that abuse.


    One post, I could understand. Two, three? Sure, you're caught up in the issues and lose your head. But this has been going on for the last few years. Not the raging at the policies or the leaders. The shitting on US RIGHT HERE as though WE are responsible for it.



    What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Thinking.



    EDIT - Metaphorically, you are the dad who has a bad day at work so he comes home and beats the shit out of his kid, because he needs a target. Do you realize that?
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    Re: So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarbonius, post#26, Trump Indicted thread
    He also doesn't post another dozen ridiculous things (at least, not right away) - as he is busy responding directly (more or less) to those 1 or 2 critiques. This isn't a binary situation here - more than one aim can be served by a single action.
    Yeah, how's that working out? Ready to come over to the other side yet?

    For people who don't speak Silverblade: he's saying that Ackar's two posted articles are distractions, potentially lies (with the hint that the beheading could be a CIA false flag). He's calling just about every bad thing that has sent America to war false flags - I'm honestly surprised he didn't add Pearl Harbor to his list. He's calling America bloodthirsty by highlighting a "quote" by a Democrat which she actually never said (and if one were to look into it, one would discover the 500 K figure was manipulated by Saddam Hussein). He then makes fun of the appearance of another Democrat woman and implies that both were warmongers because they were Ukrainian (even though Albright was a Czech whose mother was Ukrainian, and Victoria Nuland is an American whose paternal grandparents are Ukrainian - close enough I guess?)

    In the next post, he talks about how the recent leaked documents prove him right when the exact opposite is true, he comes to the defense of Republican Rand Paul, he insinuates that the Ukrainian group responsible for the online hit list is a CIA puppet because of where the web site is hosted, and then uses a phrase straight out of Kremlin propaganda, "American empire", before hinting that Russia will nuke America's cities.

    But he's not getting his information from right-wing conspiracy sites that are infested with Russian propaganda. No, sir. This is all independent thought here.

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