So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the ass

[Wool]

You act like Russia has to use its nukes. The point of mutally assured destruction is that it makes nuclear warfare an unattractive option, but it says a lot about the person that would actually go through with it, let alone be the one to use them first. Putin is either a bully trying to scare you into compliance or a monster underserving of the responsibility he has been given.

And no, their existence is not at stake. They aren't fighting for survival, they are fighting for power. They are jealous of the US and want to displace us. At least China actually has a shot; Putin is over here fantasizing about his glory days when he was the quaterback of his high school football team.

A regime is not a people. Russia and China both would be fine without their current leadership's lust for hegemony.


P.S. I'll let someone else unpack the rest of that post if they want, I don't have the time for it.

[FilanFyretracker]

Survival? The only country that is fighting for survival is Ukraine. If they do not fight they will become part of Russia by force and have to live under Dictator Putin.

[Silke]

I don’t even. My mind just. What?

Yeah. Nope.

[Zarbonius]

This is a weird situation. I mean, Silver has said some wildly crazy and incredibly insulting things about ukraine and Ukrainians. And just about none of it is rational - there are bits and pieces of reality, but nothing is actually connected in any sort of coherent manner.

So... I mean, do you get angry at your Uncle Lou who has Alzheimer's when he cusses you out because he thinks you are the guy that stole his girl back in high school (before you were actually born)?

Is the original person still "in there", or is this just who they are now? And do you blame them for becoming whatever they are now? Is it their fault?

[Ninetoes]

This is a weird situation. I mean, Silver has said some wildly crazy and incredibly insulting things about ukraine and Ukrainians. And just about none of it is rational - there are bits and pieces of reality, but nothing is actually connected in any sort of coherent manner.

So... I mean, do you get angry at your Uncle Lou who has Alzheimer's when he cusses you out because he thinks you are the guy that stole his girl back in high school (before you were actually born)?

Is the original person still "in there", or is this just who they are now? And do you blame them for becoming whatever they are now? Is it their fault?

When he accuses a Jew ( A Ukrainian Jew to be specific) of consorting and supporting Nazis - does it matter?

[Ninetoes]

get this Silke, the USA helped the Ukrainians DIRECTLY to modify drones by data, EW, parts, experts etc, to attack a Russian nuclear airbase, the Ukrainians boasted about it, it's fact.
Now what would America do if Russia helped Mexican cartels attack Eglin Airbase, hm?
A few hours later lots of Mexico would be rubble and a state of war might occur between 2 nuclear powers.
Same damn thing.

Did the Mexican cartels illegally invade America in your pretend scenario? Because that is exactly what happened - Russia illegally invaded Ukraine, a sovereign nation. Russia has committed multiple war crimes throughout this illegal war. All this is verifiable fact, no matter what you, Roger waters or any other useful idiot wants to pretend otherwise.

[Zarbonius]

When he accuses a Jew ( A Ukrainian Jew to be specific) of consorting and supporting Nazis - does it matter?

I suppose it depends on your view of what/who a person really is, and how consciousness works. If I had a time machine and went back to show you these posts 5 years ago, would you have believed they were genuine, based on everything you knew up to that point?


I would like to believe that I am fully in control of my thoughts and everything I say is a product of who I am and what I believe as a person. But after a few personal experiences with people suffering from dementia, I have been forced to admit that at a certain point, people's brains essentially become random content generators - a twisted version of chatGPT. And that's without considering the evidence from the last few years that mass brainwashing through media sources is not just possible but actually shockingly effective.


Maybe I'm just trying too hard to find an explanation for what we're seeing here. And maybe there's nothing pathological at all underlying any of this and it's all a product of deliberate, conscious choices. I don't know.

And to your point, at a general level maybe it doesn't matter. I've really been trying to sort out my own thoughts on this topic recently, so if it seems as though I'm supporting or excusing it, that is not my intent. But seeing something similar happen enough times that it's a clear pattern makes you start asking questions about what's going on and why. And I don't like any of the possible answers I'm seeing, and what they imply about where we're going as a civilization over the next few decades.

[Wool]

How much do you blame anyone for the circumstances of their lives? We are all shaped by things outside our control.

If I had a time machine and went back to show you these posts 5 years ago, would you have believed they were genuine, based on everything you knew up to that point?

Are you talking about Silver specifically? Because yeah. The only thing that surprises me is the anger and the insults.

[Zarbonius]

The only thing that surprises me is the anger and the insults.

That's specifically what I am referring to, yes. The willingness to entertain conspiracy thinking has always been there (in a much more benign way), but the outright hostility is way out of character.

[Ninetoes]

That's specifically what I am referring to, yes. The willingness to entertain conspiracy thinking has always been there (in a much more benign way), but the outright hostility is way out of character.

My memory is rusty - but I think he was this way during Russia's first invasion in 2014, especially after Russia shot down MH17

[Dramadon]

So it's been almost a year since Russia began it's illegal invasion of Ukraine. A year where the Ukrainian people have stood, despite the paper juggernaut of the Russian Military. Stood, despite Russian war crimes in Bucha, Maripol and other locations. Stood, despite Russia's helpful idiots in the West regurgitating Russian lies.

I have never been prouder to be a Ukrainian than I have in the past year.

Slava Ukraini! Heroiam slava!

Wow, I did not know you were Ukrainian. Are you 1st generation American or is it longer? It is amazing what they have managed to accomplish with far fewer resources in the past year. They certainly couldn't have done it without help, but they have been smart with how their resources have been applied.

[Ninetoes]

Wow, I did not know you were Ukrainian. Are you 1st generation American or is it longer? It is amazing what they have managed to accomplish with far fewer resources in the past year. They certainly couldn't have done it without help, but they have been smart with how their resources have been applied.

2nd generation - my granfather came from Kyiv originally, then Minsk

[Delores Mulva]

The thread for the first invasion in 2014. Don't mind "MH17" being highlighted, that's the search I used to find it. Looks like Silverblade was more of an apologist and "but both sides" person then versus the active hostility being shown now.

And I know this isn't the "total economic collapse is imminent" thread, but from that linked thread....

You don't get what's coming, the "Bubbles" I've spoken of are total economic collapse, it's inevitable, it's all built on digital CRAP.
think about London, all those mega expensive and very often EMPTY mansions/building complexes.
Actual ordinary Londoners have been priced and ignored out of existence for last 30 years.
if we're lucky, the result will be populace wiping the scum out, sorry, ugly as heck, but best we can hope for is fair trials and then mass executions...otherwise it's collapse as an excuse for complete tyranny and then, end of the civilized world and maybe all higher life on the planet.

We're almost at the NINE YEAR ANNIVERSARY of that comment. NINE YEARS OF BEING WRONG. AREN'T YOU TIRED OF BEING BELLIGERENTLY WRONG YET?

Ahem. Sorry, back to the normal thread topic, which according to Silverblade's title is... how this is a "false flag" war. Discuss!

[Nerkahia]

But after a few personal experiences with people suffering from dementia, I have been forced to admit that at a certain point, people's brains essentially become random content generators - a twisted version of chatGPT.

Very sorry to hear by the way. The older I get the more I begin to hear about people suffering from dementia, and I find it horribly sad, and absolutely terrifying.

[Nerkahia]

2nd generation - my granfather came from Kyiv originally, then Minsk

It is heartbreaking to see the atrocities Putin is inflicting on Ukraine, but also inspiring to witness the solemn determination of her people.

Slava Ukraini! Heroiam slava!

[Ninetoes]

It is heartbreaking to see the atrocities Putin is inflicting on Ukraine, but also inspiring to witness the solemn determination of her people.

Slava Ukraini! Heroiam slava!

Well we have a history of Russian trying to kill us - Holodomor comes to mind. But we are still here!

Slava Ukraini! Heroiam Slava!

[Ninetoes]

So this is a thing that happened...
ICC issues an arrest warrant for Putin in response to Russia's War Crimes in Ukraine.

The ICC said in a statement that Putin “is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of (children) and that of unlawful transfer of (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation.”

The court also issued a warrant for the arrest of Maria Lvova-Belova, the commissioner for Children’s Rights in the Office of the President of the Russian Federation. The AP reported on her involvement in the abduction of Ukrainian orphans in October, in the first investigation to follow the process all the way to Russia, relying on dozens of interviews and documents.

Now, in practical terms, its more ceremonial than realistic, given that Russia does not recognize the ICC. However I think it as important step internationally in recognition of Russia's many crimes in the illegal invasion of Ukraine.

Slava Ukraini, Heroim Slava

[FilanFyretracker]

Well Mr. War Criminal himself just paid a surprise visit to Mariupol, I have no doubts this was a direct reply to the fact that Biden visited Kyiv.

I suspect they had full and very very heavy security since there are disruption operations happening in occupied areas, damn imagine if even just one sniper could get a clear angle and bagged Putin.

[Ninetoes]

Well Mr. War Criminal himself just paid a surprise visit to Mariupol, I have no doubts this was a direct reply to the fact that Biden visited Kyiv.

I suspect they had full and very very heavy security since there are disruption operations happening in occupied areas, damn imagine if even just one sniper could get a clear angle and bagged Putin.

As tempting as that is - I want him in chaIns before the world. I want the world to see what a monster he is, and his apologists to realize the enormity of their errors. None of which will happen, I can dream.

[Silverblade-T-E]

WOOOO HOOOO! the nukes are coming! HALLELUJAH!
yes indeedy all you fucking lunatics who ignored reality and wanted Russia killed, well prepare for some "Instant Sunshine"

WHY?
Cause the lunatics in Poland just announced they will step into the Ukrainian conflict if Ukraine loses
now why oh why should the think Ukraine will lose if everything is "A-1, Russia is losing" as the Western liars say, hm?
Oh and shows Poles really want Western Ukraine back, knife in the back but then again the Poles have along memory of what Bandera's murdering scum did...and it's all old feuds and BS, they want the "Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" back and quite a few in a part of Ukraine in that area would like it too.

Hope yer all happy to see yer family die for some fucking insane feuds going back 400 bloody years


https://news.yahoo.com/polish-ambass...201021342.html

Polish Ambassador to France: Poland will be forced to enter war if Ukraine fails to defend itself

Poland’s Ambassador to France Jan Emeryk Rościszewski said in an interview that a situation could arise in which Poland would have to enter the war. The embassy urged audiences to refrain from sensationalising his words

Note Poland has already requested US nukes to be based there

oh and THIS lovely little thing happened:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/202.../1981-m18.html
Flew within 30km of Kalingrad (Russian exclave)

So of course Russia downed a US drone that turned off its transponder and got so close to Sevastopol that when it crashed, the Russians divers could go pick it's remains up faster than Romanian/Bulgarian helicopters could
"international waters" my ass.
And America can't morally say jack fuck, because:
a) it show down Chinese WEATHER balloons, remember their own evidence showed that's all they were but oddly enough really downplayed that
AND some kids balloon
made hysterics about these "spy balloons!", as a move to war with China, you know, like "Iraq has WMD" ?

Go on, keep fucking around and see what happens to us all...sigh
"MUSHROOMS FOR EVERYONE!"
I thought it'd be Trump that gave us all some Instant Sunshine but nope, "President Shitty Pants" is well on the way to do it

missiles are flying.jpg



PS "Russia are stealing children!"
oh so they are rescuing kids form a war zone where Ukrainian extremists have murdered 14,000 CIVILIANS over past 8 years, but it's "evil"?!
And what scumbags chose to fight inside their own cities? UKRAINIANS!
And who told them to do so, resulting in Ukrainian cities getting flattened? American scumbags, that's who

And for those morons who still think the "Russians are evil committing genocide! Bombing all civilians!"
Well how the fuck are all those Western leaders having fucking photo ops in Kiev, then, hm?


yer brainwashed, and zealot nuts like Ninetoes will lead you to yer deaths, FFS!
WAKE UP!

"Oh look, it wasn't US who bombed Nord Stream!
It was the unknown Ukrainian One Armed divers from a pleasure boat!"