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    Interesting article on the number of posters on various platforms seeming to have gone "on holiday" since the Russian invasion of Ukraine...

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...e-social-media

    Others have observed the same phenomenon; those who frequently encounter bots or angry responses are now seeing a significant drop-off. Covid misinformation, which has often trended on social media over the past two years, seems to be taking a nosedive.

    The reasons for this “bot holiday”, as Fisman calls it, are probably varied – but many of them point to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.


    Russia’s information war with western nations seems to be pivoting to new fronts, from vaccines to geopolitics.


    And while social media has proven a powerful tool for Ukraine – with images of Zelenskiy striding through the streets of Kyiv and tractors pulling abandoned Russian tanks – growing campaigns of misinformation around the world could change the conflict’s narrative, and the ways the world reacts.


    The likely reasons for the shift in online chatter are many. Russia began limiting access to Twitter on Saturday, sanctions have been levied against those who could be financing disinformation sites and bot farms, and social media companies are more attuned to banning bots and accounts spreading misinformation during the conflict.


    But something more coordinated may also be at play.


    Conspiracy theories around the so-called “New World Order” – loosely defined conspiracies about shadowy global elites that run the world – have converged narrowly on Ukraine, according to emerging research.


    “There’s actually been a doubling of New World Order conspiracies on Twitter since the invasion,” said Joel Finkelstein, the chief science officer and co-founder of the National Contagion Research Institute, which maps online campaigns around public health, economic issues and geopolitics.


    At the same time, “whereas before the topics were very diverse – it was Ukraine and Canada and the virus and the global economy – now the entire conversation is about Ukraine,” he said. “We’re seeing a seismic shift in the disinformation sphere towards Ukraine entirely.”


    Online activity has surged overall by 20% since the invasion, and new hashtags have cropped up around Ukraine that seem to be coordinated with bot-like activity, Finkelstein said. Users pushing new campaigns frequently tweet hundreds of times a day and can catch the eye of prominent authentic accounts.


    “We can’t say for certain that Russia is behind this or that it contributes directly to the propagation of these messages. But it’s pretty difficult to believe that it’s not involved,” Finkelstein said, with topics strikingly similar to Russian talking points about the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, being controlled by the west and the need to dissolve Nato.


    A Russian bot farm reportedly produced 7,000 accounts to post fake information about Ukraine on social media, including Telegram, WhatsApp and Viber, according to the security service of Ukraine.


    And influencers who previously demonstrated against vaccines are now turning their support to Russia.
    I'd love to see a meta-analysis of posting patterns on various platforms, contrasted against various world events.

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    I noticed the exact same thing about disinformation at the beginning of the war. A ton of misinformation and propaganda regarding the Canadian and, now, U.S. “freedom” convoys, Trudeau, Covid-19 and anti vaccination stopped as soon as the war started.

    Right now it looks like the far right has embraced Putin. It seems like the most popular fantasy they’ve latched onto is that the U.S. has bio weapon labs all over Ukraine and Russia’s real goal is to eliminate those labs before the “globohomo” forces (their word, not mine) release a new disease since Covid-19 didn’t have the desired outcome. Oh and Ukraine is also sitting on a ton of evidence that would destroy the Clintons, Bidens and Obamas because Ukraine has been a massive front for laundering dirty money and dirty secrets and are using that as kompromat against the West. The far right just loves their conspiracies…

    What I find I find interesting is how Ukraine has become central to this mass delusion of the far right. To me it reinforces the idea that the actual bad actors have been in Russia all along and are spreading this misinformation to divide the U.S. and they’ve been at it for years. Because the far right is so open to conspiracy theories and they want to believe that this is all true so it gives these bad actors in Russia a large audience primed to believe their bullshit and divide us. And it’s scary how many of the far right view Putin as someone to be admired now.
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    Bad news: Russia and Russians owe Western banks $120 billion, and that money is likely gone.

    Good news: I looked up the exposure of Canadian banks, and it's in the $13-40 million range. That's less than half of what is owed to Belgian banks, for comparison. Yay us!

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    id love to know why American bio weapons labs would even make sense in Ukraine as a conspiracy, When hidden under a mountain in some remote part of WV makes a much more sensible conspiracy.
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    "Sense" and "conspiracy" aren't even in the same ZIP code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delores Mulva View Post
    "Sense" and "conspiracy" aren't even in the same ZIP code.
    Pretty much this.

    The conspiracies originate by Russian bad actors. Their goal is to turn the international community against Ukraine. If they can’t do that they’ll settle for deepening the rifts between liberals and conservatives in the U.S. After all, if we’re fighting each other we’re not getting involved. And any involvement we do get into will have an exaggerated amount of opposition. Conservatives are more susceptible to conspiracies. Many already believe that liberals and Democrats are actually evil and these conspiracies play on that. They want to believe so they make easy targets for Russian disinformation.
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    Conspiracy theories are a game of connect the dots where you make your own dots. Anything and everything that attracts attention is fair game.

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    Putin needs the government core in Kyiv mostly intact so he has buildings to fill with puppets. Part of me is worried he’s gunna start lobbing gas shells into the city.
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    Remember when Russia invaded because President Zelenskyy was a nazi and the whole country was full of nazis? Well when that narrative didn’t resonate they went with secret biolabs!

    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/interne...ight-rcna19392

    Russian propaganda on Ukraine's non-existent 'biolabs' boosted by U.S. far right
    Russian and Chinese officials have also pushed the theory, associated with QAnon, which has reached mainstream conservative media in the U.S.

    March 14, 2022, 9:55 AM EDT
    Russia’s early struggles to push disinformation and propaganda about Ukraine have picked up momentum in recent days, thanks to a variety of debunked conspiracy theories about biological research labs in Ukraine. Much of the false information is flourishing in Russian social media, far-right online spaces and U.S. conservative media, including Tucker Carlson’s show on Fox News.

    The theories, which have been boosted by Russian and Chinese officials, come as U.S. officials warn that Russia could be preparing a chemical or biological weapons attack of its own in Ukraine.

    Most of the conspiracy theories claim that the U.S. was developing and plotting to release a bioweapon or potentially another coronavirus from “biolabs”’ throughout Ukraine and that Russia invaded to take over the labs. Many of the theories implicate people who are often the targets of far-right conspiracy thinking — including Dr. Anthony Fauci and President Joe Biden — as being behind creating the weaponized diseases in the biolabs.

    Disinformation experts said the biolabs theory echoes other Russian propaganda meant to justify its military efforts, which often makes allegations against other countries and populations that reflect similar attacks it plans to make.

    PolitiFact has debunked the theories, and no evidence of U.S.-run bioweapons labs in Ukraine has been put forward. Avril Haines, the director of national intelligence, told the Senate Intelligence Committee the U.S. has no evidence that Ukraine has pursued bioweapons and that the only assistance provided by the U.S. was “in the context of biosafety.”

    “The ‘biolabs’ are serving as a false justification for why Russia invaded Ukraine. It’s defensive,” said Clint Watts, an MSNBC contributor who is a senior fellow at the Center for Cyber and Homeland Security at George Washington University. “They create a situation where they go to a populist audience, push out talking points, get the audience primed and make it true later.”

    Gavin Wilde, a managing consultant at the Krebs Stamos Group, a security consulting company, who previously was director for Russia, Baltic, and Caucasus affairs on the White House National Security Council, said the theories appeared to focus on the U.S. Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, which was created to decommission Soviet-era chemical and biological weapons.

    He said the program “has long provided fodder for Russian propaganda campaigns” and can be particularly effective on Russian residents.

    “In a media environment almost completely dominated by Kremlin narratives — with few independent or Western outlets remaining — creating a pretext for escalation that the Russian public will accede to using these well-worn narratives is an easy task,” Wilde said.

    The “biolabs” conspiracy theories were almost unheard of until the day of Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

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    Pyrra Technologies, a cybersecurity and threat intelligence company, said the first mention of biolabs came on the far-right social network Gab on Feb. 14, 10 days before the invasion. The user included an awkwardly worded graphic, titled “Exclusive US biolabs in Ukraine, and they are financed at the expense of the US Department of Defense.”

    The post largely sat idle for days. Welton Chang, the CEO of Pyrra, said posts about biolabs on the top 15 far-right social networks numbered in the single digits in the days before Russia’s invasion. But on Feb. 24, the day Russia began its invasion, the number of posts about biolabs on English-language far-right websites skyrocketed into the hundreds and only grew in the days after.

    Boosted by far-right influencers on the day of the invasion, an anonymous QAnon Twitter account titled @WarClandestine pushed the “biolabs” theory to new heights, using the same “US biolabs” graphic initially included on the Gab post that went largely unshared the week before.

    Twitter said the account and others that pushed the biolabs theory were banned for “multiple violations of our abusive behavior policy.”

    The biolab conspiracy theory has taken over as the prevailing narrative on pro-Trump and QAnon websites like The Great Awakening and Patriots.Win.

    Chang said the rhetoric on pro-Trump sites, which had largely been anti-Putin in the first days of the war, has shifted because of the biolab conspiracy theory.

    “These communities already know what the rhythm and cadence of Covid conspiracies should be like to get people to buy it,” Chang said. “They had a lot of practice with QAnon. The kinds of things that get people excited, like any time you say ‘secret biolab,’ it gets people’s emotions up.”

    Russian and Chinese officials have also boosted the theory. On Tuesday, China’s Foreign Affairs Ministry began pushing the conspiracy theory, asking for a “full account” of Ukraine’s “biological military activities at home and abroad.”

    By Wednesday, almost two weeks after the invasion, the conspiracy theory had reached Carlson, who led his show claiming that the “Biden administration was funding secret biolabs in Ukraine.”

    On Thursday, Russia requested a meeting at the U.N. Security Council about “military biological activities” in the U.S.

    The Kremlin has a long history of planting false reports that the U.S. was developing chemical or biological warfare to distract from its own use of such weapons, said Thomas Rid, a professor of strategic studies at Johns Hopkins University and the author of a history of Soviet and U.S. disinformation tactics.

    In the early 1980s, as Soviet forces deployed chemical agents in Afghanistan and Laos, the Kremlin tried to distract from such attacks by publishing false tales, like one that the CIA was developing weaponized mosquitoes in Pakistan to spread encephalitis in Afghanistan.

    “There were multiple incidents of Soviet disinformation that involved claims of American bioweapons, including the big one, HIV/AIDS,” Rid said.

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s another attempt at accusing the other side of the thing they are in fact doing,” Rid said.

    Zignal Labs, which analyzes social media, broadcast, traditional media and online conversations, found that English-language influencers helped create the talking point for Russian propaganda.

    “Mentions of the bioweapon lab narrative in Russian doubled on March 6th,” about 10 days after the start of the invasion, Zignal Labs said in a report. From Wednesday to Friday, Russian mentions of the biolab conspiracy theory on social media have outpaced posts about the same propaganda in English, the report said.

    Rid said he sees the theories as playing on some Americans’ fears about Covid.

    “For the far right, I think it’s also about China and Covid,” Rid said. “It’s all mixed up in this mesh of fear and conspiracy theory about where Covid really came from. It’s just something that a lot of people can emotionally relate to, because the pandemic affected them so brutally for the past two years.”
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    They've moved past biolabs and are now claiming that the U.S. is teaching the Ukrainians how to make nukes. It's like watching Survivor where the person who has pissed off the entire tribe is throwing every accusation they can at others trying to stay, when you know that even if the accusations were true people hate the person so much they're getting booted anyways. So if the goal isn't to turn others against the U.S. / Ukraine, because nobody is that stupid and they all hate Russia anyways, what's the point? Stop the war while the U.N. investigates, which would let Russia retain its gains so far and get the time to get their shit together? Or do they really believe this crap has traction with anybody? Even the American right seems to be getting tired of this nonsense.

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    Trump explains that there's "a lot of love" behind Putin's invasion of Ukraine

    Donald Trump claimed that there is "a lot of love" behind Russian President Vladimir Putin's devastating invasion of Ukraine, which has already resulted in hundreds of civilian casualties.

    The former president's bizarre remarks came during a Sunday radio interview with Fox News host Jeanine Pirro, who asked Trump about the deadly incursion.

    "He's got a big ego," Trump said of Putin. "Again, I know him very well ... I understand he's gotten rid of a lot of his generals."

    Trump also speculated that the Russian president felt "cornered," suggesting that Putin might commit "unspeakable" acts of warfare if the invasion doesn't go his way.

    Later in the segment, the former president argued that Putin is on a conquest to restore the Soviet Union.

    "You say, what's the purpose of this? They had a country," Trump explained. "You could see it was a country where there was a lot of love and we're doing it because, you know, somebody wants to make his country larger or he wants to put it back the way it was when actually it didn't work very well."

    The Soviet Union officially dissolved in 1991, which resulted in Ukraine's status as a sovereign state. However, for nearly a decade, Putin has argued that Ukraine is fundamentally a part of Russia, a false claim that is at the heart of Putin's invasion.

    Since the invasion began, Trump has intermittently weighed in on the conflict, but his comments have been somewhat contradictory.

    Just when the military assault was officially launched, Trump described Putin as "very savvy," calling his strategic sensibilities "genius." Days later, facing a chorus of condemnation from many of his congressional allies, Trump did a seeming about-face, calling the Russian attack "appalling."

    "As everyone understands, this horrific disaster would never have happened if our election was not rigged and if I was the president," he added at the time.

    Trump has also suggested that Putin is "playing [President Biden] like a drum," suggesting that if he remained president, the crisis would have been averted.

    "The fake news said my personality is going to get us into a war...but actually my personality is what kept us out of war," Trump said during a March 12 rally in Florence, South Carolina.

    But some critics have argued that Trump's actions as president actually emboldened Putin to take on a bellicose military posture that might have led to the current invasion.

    During his presidency, the former president repeatedly heaped praise on Putin and openly rebuked NATO, at one point trying to extricate the U.S. from the security alliance. Trump also waged a campaign to withhold vital military aid from Ukraine in order to induce the country's president Volodymyr Zelenskyy to investigate Biden's son, Hunter, for political purposes.

    "All this did was say to Russia that Ukraine was a playground," former White House Russia advisor, Fiona Hill, told CNN last month. "Not once did I see [Trump] do anything to put America first. Not once. Not for a single second."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delores Mulva View Post
    They've moved past biolabs and are now claiming that the U.S. is teaching the Ukrainians how to make nukes. It's like watching Survivor where the person who has pissed off the entire tribe is throwing every accusation they can at others trying to stay, when you know that even if the accusations were true people hate the person so much they're getting booted anyways. So if the goal isn't to turn others against the U.S. / Ukraine, because nobody is that stupid and they all hate Russia anyways, what's the point? Stop the war while the U.N. investigates, which would let Russia retain its gains so far and get the time to get their shit together? Or do they really believe this crap has traction with anybody? Even the American right seems to be getting tired of this nonsense.
    If this were Civilization, there would be no mercy and no quarter for Russia. You invade me, it is the end of your Civilization. Hell, I would have sent a settler off from Alaska with a couple artillery and about 5 tanks to create Portland in Eastern Russia a few weeks ago.

    But then, I don't give a shit if nukes are used in a computer game so that's not going to happen here. Although, Putin is acting very much like a Civilization leader right now.

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    I hate Putin, but I also hate people who forward settle, so I don't know which side to be on here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delores Mulva View Post
    They've moved past biolabs and are now claiming that the U.S. is teaching the Ukrainians how to make nukes. It's like watching Survivor where the person who has pissed off the entire tribe is throwing every accusation they can at others trying to stay, when you know that even if the accusations were true people hate the person so much they're getting booted anyways. So if the goal isn't to turn others against the U.S. / Ukraine, because nobody is that stupid and they all hate Russia anyways, what's the point? Stop the war while the U.N. investigates, which would let Russia retain its gains so far and get the time to get their shit together? Or do they really believe this crap has traction with anybody? Even the American right seems to be getting tired of this nonsense.
    Ukraine had nukes, they signed them away in 1994. On the grounds Russia would not invade them. I suspect they already know how to make a few nukes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delores Mulva View Post
    I hate Putin, but I also hate people who forward settle, so I don't know which side to be on here!
    Never play civ with me then- I'll settle 4 hexes BEHIND your capital! :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilanFyretracker View Post
    Ukraine had nukes, they signed them away in 1994. On the grounds Russia would not invade them. I suspect they already know how to make a few nukes.
    So do I, learned it at school. Doesn't mean I have the capability, funds and will to create one including a deployment method.

    They also signed them away in 1994 on the grounds that the EU or NATO would not expand eastward.
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    Re: So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the

    Quote Originally Posted by Branaman Starbinder View Post
    They also signed them away in 1994 on the grounds that the EU or NATO would not expand eastward.
    Got a source on that?

    I can't find anything in the Budapest Memorandum itself (nor in any other documents) indicating that this was true for either NATO or the EU.

    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...pest-blow-1994 has a list of contemporaneous correspondence between Clinton and Yeltsin (obtained from a FOIA request) that contains quotes from both Clinton and Yeltsin regarding how future NATO expansion would proceed (the disagreement between the two was primarily about the timetable and rate of expansion, not whether it would occur or not).
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