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    Russians are scrambling to withdraw US dollars at ATMs as the ruble hits a record low on sweeping Western sanctions

    • The Russian ruble plunged nearly 30% against the US dollar on Monday to a record low.
    • Russians are scrambling foreign currencies and cash at ATMs in the country.
    • Western allies have said they will slap restrictive measures on Russia's international reserves.


    Russians are standing in long lines to withdraw foreign currencies from ATMs as Western sanctions send the ruble to a record low against the US dollar.

    On Monday, the Russian ruble tumbled nearly 30% against the greenback, dropping to as low as 119 against the dollar, according to Reuters.

    The plunge came after the European Commission said on Saturday that Western allies will slap restrictive measures on the Russian Central Bank's international reserves worth $630 billion. The measures will "paralyze the assets of Russia's central bank," "freeze its transactions," and "make it impossible for the Central bank to liquidate its assets," EC President Ursula von der Leyen wrote in a tweet.

    Western countries have intensified their economic isolation of Russia, including the removal of selected banks from the SWIFT banking system.

    The moves have spooked many Russians, who are withdrawing US dollars at more than a 30% premium over the market's close on Friday, according to Bloomberg.

    "I've stood in lines for an hour, but foreign currency is gone everywhere, just rubles," Vladimir, a 28-year-old programmer, told Bloomberg. He declined to give his last name.

    Russians also fear their bank cards may stop functioning and that banks might limit cash withdrawals, Reuters reported. "Since Thursday, everyone has been running from ATM to ATM to get cash. Some are lucky, others not so much," one St. Petersburg resident told the outlet.

    Russia's central bank is calling for calm, saying in a Sunday statement it has "the necessary resources and tools to maintain financial stability and ensure the operational continuity of the financial sector."

    Major state-owned Russian bank Sberbank said in a press release on Friday that it was operating as normal, and that customers will continue to have access to their funds and be able to exchange them into foreign currencies.

    However, the European Central Bank said on Monday that Sberbank Europe — a fully owned subsidiary of Sberbank Russia — is "failing or likely to fail" alongside its Croatian and Slovenian units due to significant deposit outflows. "This led to a deterioration of its liquidity position," the ECB said in the statement.

    The ruble is likely to continue coming under pressure.

    "The most important thing is that the West is freezing the Central Bank's reserves," former Russian prime minister Mikhail Kasyanov wrote on Twitter, per a Reuters translation. "There is nothing to support the ruble with. They will turn on the printing press. Hyperinflation and catastrophe for the economy are not far away."

    Sberbank did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

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    I was not surprised to see Putin's Russia get the support of the Trumpublicans. Putin after all is an Old Rich White Christian Guy with a track record of hating on the LGBTQ community and people of the wrong skin color.
    Although Putin is correct about the high influence of Neo-Nazi's within the Ukrainian government. And is correct about the systematic oppression of the Native-Russian population is the eastern Ukrainian provinces, not just the way they forbid the use of the Russian language but also the many people that got killed there in the last 4 years.
    I still think someone should slip some Polonium in Putin's tea fast, because this old demented man is starting to go off rails, it is not noticeable when compared to a Trump, but it is crazy and deadly.


    And this is an interesting point of view: https://youtu.be/If61baWF4GE
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    The ruble thing is a major headache for my Russian friend. She's had a strained relationship with her mother for most of her life, hiding all sorts of things from her to keep her mom from tearing her down. Mom's retired and on a fixed pension (in rubles) in Moscow, and the economic sanctions will likely destroy her financially. I've told the friend that she should consider bringing her mother to live with her in the past - doesn't have to worry about Mom being all alone, gets free daycare/cleaning/cooking (things friend can't do because of long work hours) - but she's terrified of all the critiques she will get if her mother sees how she lives. She also wouldn't be able to get away from her mom if it's too much, because her mom doesn't speak English and would be reliant on her for a lot of day-to-day things. But if her mom is about to go in the poorhouse from this, she may have no other option.

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    Oh, and I found out what may have started this thread. Edward Snowden is doing a lot of backtracking on Twitter after stating, before things started, that the whole Ukraine thing was a false flag war, etc. So maybe that's where Silverblade got it from in the first place. I hope he's read Snowden's retractions and admissions that he was 100% wrong.

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    This is blowing up in Putin's face so hard it's astonishing.

    And now everyone's taking all their shit.

    Good.
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    They can't even get the previously prepared press stories correct:

    A Russian state news outlet announced that Ukraine had been defeated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delores Mulva View Post
    They can't even get the previously prepared press stories correct:

    A Russian state news outlet announced that Ukraine had been defeated.

    Mission Accomplished?

    "Eta gege"?
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    Every little bit helps.

    Putin is on track to turn Russia into North Korea at this point.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/bp-...ia-2022-02-27/

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    It’s Vice…. So…. Ummm …. Yeah…. Gonna post it anyway though:

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3ng...aine-attention

    The Right seems lost and disoriented at the moment. They’re flailing around trying to blame President Biden for the invasion while, simultaneously, back peddling from their former praise and support of Putin. And there’s still a sizable chunk of them who want Putin to win just to stick it to the, and I’ll use their term, globohomos.

    A number of people have also noticed that a lot of social media promoting these truckers, anti vaccination measures, anti Canada sentiments all dried up the second Putin started to shut down things like Twitter in Russia. Almost as if a lot of this misinformation and culture war horseshit was being spread by people inside Russia in an attempt to divide us.
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    I have a question about this: Hasn't the stuff on store shelves already been purchased by distributors in the US, thus the money already being in Russian hands? I honestly don't know how that works, just the way I thought it worked. I'm not a vodka drinker, just every so often in a cocktail, but when I buy it for my wife I buy Tito's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silke View Post
    The Right seems lost and disoriented at the moment. They’re flailing around trying to blame President Biden for the invasion while, simultaneously, back peddling from their former praise and support of Putin. And there’s still a sizable chunk of them who want Putin to win just to stick it to the, and I’ll use their term, globohomos.
    Wait until you see the entire "Putin is invading Ukraine to 'find hunter Biden's laptop' to prove that Biden was elected fraudulently" line.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...ussia-1313656/

    While that's pretty far right, Don Jr is ranting along a similar line (Hunter's fault).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonlainy View Post
    I have a question about this: Hasn't the stuff on store shelves already been purchased by distributors in the US, thus the money already being in Russian hands? I honestly don't know how that works, just the way I thought it worked. I'm not a vodka drinker, just every so often in a cocktail, but when I buy it for my wife I buy Tito's.
    It doesn't hurt financially, but it's symbolic to show solidarity with Ukraine.

    It gets twisted though because people are generally dumping anything that looks Russian (e.g., Smirnoff is owned by the British, not Russians).

    Side note, the people I know that live in Russia drink Tito's too (lol).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silke
    A number of people have also noticed that a lot of social media promoting these truckers, anti vaccination measures, anti Canada sentiments all dried up the second Putin started to shut down things like Twitter in Russia. Almost as if a lot of this misinformation and culture war horseshit was being spread by people inside Russia in an attempt to divide us.
    If only the right wing types who believed this crap in the first place could connect the dots on that. Instead it will just be another conspiracy - "right wing voices being silenced by evil media bans en masse" - and nothing will change.

    So the Belarus security council meeting was shown briefly on Belarusian national TV, and this was shown:

    Link to screenshot.

    It's a map of the invasion, showing troop movements in broad strokes. The circled area? It shows an invasion of Moldova - specifically, the Transnistria region which is trying to break away from Moldova and rejoin Russia - from the Ukraine. Oops. Not supposed to show phase two until phase one is complete!

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    Russia’s ‘Vacuum Bombs’ Could Unleash Hell on Ukrainian Civilians, and Amount to a War Crime

    • One of Russia’s most deadly and controversial land weapons is the TOS-1A heavy flamethrower.
    • It uses rockets with thermobaric weapons to destroy entrenched enemy troops.
    • Used in Ukraine’s cities, the weapons would do massive damage to military and civilian targets alike, including ordinary people taking shelter from the fighting.


    As Russia’s troops grow increasingly bogged down in their invasion of Ukraine, observers are concerned the Russian military could unleash one of its most devastating non-nuclear weapons in civilian areas: the TOS-1A heavy flamethrower system. Originally designed to destroy fortified NATO targets, the TOS-1A is designed to create shattering waves of searing heat and overpressure, killing enemy troops inside bunkers and other reinforced targets.

    The Russian Ground Forces have, until Monday, refrained from using heavy artillery in Ukraine’s urban areas. This has been an impediment to typical Russian combat operations, as Moscow’s military doctrine usually prescribes a liberal amount of artillery to batter the enemy before a ground assault. Although there have been numerous sightings of heavy Russian artillery pieces rolling into Ukraine—and reports that Moscow has already used thermobaric weapons against civilians—there have been no official confirmations yet.

    All of that may be about to change. Artillery bombardments of Ukrainian cities and towns are becoming increasingly common, with evidence of BM-30 Smerch 300-millimeter rockets, Grad-P 122-millimeter rockets, and other salvo-fired rocket systems in active use. The worst of all, however, is the TOS-1A. As the weapon’s state-owned exporter states in its marketing materials: “I will create hell for the enemy.” No lie detected.

    The TOS-1A is a weapon without equivalents in Western armies. TOS-1A and weapons like it are called “thermobaric” due to their use of extreme heat and pressure to incapacitate or kill. The Soviet Union first developed the TOS-1A in the 1970s as a weapon to fulfill the role of a flamethrower, destroying enemy troops in bunkers. At the time, most armies were shifting away from the traditional role of a flame-spurting flamethrower, but there was still a need for a weapon that could somehow reach through the narrow firing ports of a bunker or fighting position to neutralize the troops inside.

    The original vehicle, TOS-1, was designed to carry 30 rockets with a 220-millimeter diameter. Each rocket was packed with inert—but flammable—metal particles, dispersed in a cloud-like pattern at the target. Ideally, the airborne metallic particles filter into hard-to-reach places through firing ports in a bunker, crew hatches in armored vehicles, and cave entrances. The rocket then detonates the cloud, creating a deadly fireball.

    The explosion also has a powerful secondary effect: the generation of powerful positive, then negative, pressure waves. The quick succession of positive and negative pressure waves is why some call thermobaric weapons “vacuum bombs.” The pressure differential has a devastating effect on buildings, structures, and the human body—particularly the lungs. The U.S. Air Force’s Mother of All Bombs (MOAB), the world’s largest conventional bomb, similarly kills through overpressure, and in 2017 was dropped on an ISIS cave complex in Afghanistan.

    The modern version of TOS-1 is TOS-1A, also known as Solntsepek (Sun). The weapon still uses 220-millimeter rockets, but only carries 24 at a time. According to Rosoboronexport, the state company that markets and coordinates international arms sales, TOS-1A can launch its rockets just 90 seconds after coming to a full stop. It can fire all 24 rockets in six seconds, and a single vehicle can savage 40,000 square meters, the equivalent of almost ten acres. In addition to the Russian Ground Forces, armies in Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia, and Syria also operate TOS-1As.

    Here’s a video that Russia’s Ministry of Defense uploaded to YouTube in 2019, showing the loading and firing of TOS-1As during an exercise:

    TOS-1A’s effects against soldiers are horrifying enough, but against civilians it has the potential for mass slaughter. The dangers to unprotected civilians are obvious, but it can also damage (or even collapse) non-military buildings, killing or injuring those taking shelter inside.

    Two human rights organizations—London’s Amnesty International and New York City’s Human Rights Watch—have both claimed that Russia “appeared to have used widely banned cluster munitions, with Amnesty accusing them of attacking a preschool in northeastern Ukraine while civilians took shelter inside,” according to a February 28 report from Reuters, but those claims have not yet been verified.

    TOS-1A will devastate civilian populations in Ukraine if Russia uses it against them. Already, Russian rockets are raining down in urban areas in Kharkiv, a city in the eastern part of the country that has managed to hold out against Russian forces despite overwhelming odds. If Putin grows desperate, he might order his military to deploy TOS-1A and similar rocket systems as terror weapons in an attempt to break Ukraine’s morale.

    While such actions might have their intended effect, it would also broadly be considered a war crime, and land Putin and his administration in even deeper international trouble than it’s in now.

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    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/s...56686548013062

    Interesting perspective. But I think it started even earlier with tryouts like the Brexit and Scottish independence referendum
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    tbh I dont think they expected the success they got though, The fact that Fox News would just gobble that shit up and mainline it to the masses. I mean Tucker may as well be on a Kremlin backed station the way he praises Putin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverblade-T-E View Post
    Those 2 regions are pro-RUSSIAN and have been constantly attacked by the actual fucking NAZI nutbags on the Ukrainian side, with civilians killed all the damn time
    funny how the "NeoLiberal" Western propaganda overlooks that, isn't it?
    UK troops teaching them how to conduct guerrilla warfare caught on camera cause the Ukrainians were so gung-ho they posted the pics!

    Look at the geography, Crimea and Ukraine are absolutely essential to Russia's security, hence the agreements put in place when USSR fell that NATO would not move East
    It's time for a Strength (of Character) check, Silverblade: None of the arguments you put forward here hold up, given Russia's subsequent invasion of the entirety of Ukraine.

    None of them.

    And you have been completely silent since then.


    I'm hoping you roll a natural 20 here, not a 1.


    (I'm even being nice and ignoring the terms of Ukraine's agreement to surrender its nuclear weapons to Russia (1994 Budapest Memorandum), in exchange for "security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.")

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    Not going to lie - as a 2nd generation Ukrainian this has been incredibly stressful. Not just because of the ongoing invasion - but the mischaracterization of the Ukrainian people. I have seen folks that I considered friends spouting Putin propaganda, calling my people Nazis, and generally misunderstanding and mischaracterizing how much influence Azov really has.

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