Reply With QuoteColon Cancer.Originally Posted by Zarbonius
Take good care of your butthole.
Go fuck yourself, 2020.
Colon Cancer.
Take good care of your butthole.
if you could repuff Jupiter's gas into a middle finger it would not be a big enough FUCK YOU to Cancers of all kinds, or 2020.
Today we sail
On the Solar Rail
For there's much we just don't know
So farewell with a kiss
Then it's fast for the mist
Till we're sleeping in the cold below
Obit: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/enter...ies/index.html
Next film was due 2022. Do you figure they will recast the role, or just accelerate the Shuri storyline?
My first expectation would to be recast, but they could do a pivot + dedication that fans might find very moving. I had no idea a "Shuri storyline" was going to be a thing. I liked her a lot.
In the comics, she takes on the role of Black Panther for a time.
Cliff Robinson, NBA All-Star, 53:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/29/us/cl...rnd/index.html
I suspect they will use Shuri. Marvel has a big enough issue with people complaining about not enough black or female leadership roles. This also makes a lot of sense. Either have him "disappear" and the plot of the movie is to figure out what happened, or just have the opening scene be at his funeral and let the MCU say good-bye to him. Even have an old Steve Rogers cameo. Then have the rest of the movie be about Suri starting her reign. I think it would be better to avoid the whole challenge to leadership storyline as they did that in the first film. Just move on to whatever story they've come up with. Part of me wishes they had T'Challa die from cancer as well just to show that not even Wakanda has figured that disease out yet, but then having it revolve around figuring out what happened to him is a compelling story as well.
Dang that is sad. He went through all those marvel movies and became a big star all the while battling cancer.
They can't recast, he is too big of a name and it was such a tragic death. I could see them do a CGI farewell like they did with Leia or have a funeral for him or just have him walk off into the CGI sunset, but they will have to acknowledge he is gone.
The CGI is obvious: Shuri will see him at the tree in the Djalia, with all the other past Panthers.
In college basketball, he was a gigantic figure, literally and figuratively:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...jr-dies-age-78
He was one of the founding coaches for the Big East. In a way he is partially responsible for ESPN, When the Big East was formed they needed to find someone to air their games and ESPN was basically some trailers next to a satellite dish with a need for programming.
Today we sail
On the Solar Rail
For there's much we just don't know
So farewell with a kiss
Then it's fast for the mist
Till we're sleeping in the cold below
with a cactus
coated in chili sauce
loaded with a fucking frag grenade!
He was arguably one of the three greatest pitchers of the last 50 years:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb...ia/ar-BB18EgoV
So which two of Johnson, Kershaw, Martinez, Clemens, and Maddux round out your top three? (I assume you're just talking about starters, so no Rivera.)
Clemens and Maddux are pretty easy choices. If you want to discount Clemens for roids (I don't care, but some do), you can plug Randy Johnson in his place.
Numbers aren't everything, and wins above replacement isn't necessarily the perfect stat, but for what it's worth, these are the top pitchers ranked by WAR who largely played after the mid-1960s (the first number is their ranking among all pitchers ever):
3. Roger Clemens (24 seasons) 138.7 WAR Throws right
7. Tom Seaver (20) 106.0 R
8. Greg Maddux (23) 104.8 R
9. Randy Johnson (22) 103.5 L
11. Phil Niekro (24) 97.0 R
12. Bert Blyleven (22) 96.1 R
13. Gaylord Perry (22) 93.0 R
17. Pedro Martinez (18) 86.1 R
19. Steve Carlton (24) 84.1 L
20. Nolan Ryan (27) 83.6 R
23. Mike Mussina (18) 82.8 R
24. Fergie Jenkins (19) 82.2 R
25. Bob Gibson (17) 81.7 R
26. Curt Schilling (20) 80.5 R
28. Tom Glavine (22) 73.9 L
30. Justin Verlander (16 so far) 72.3 R
32. Don Sutton (23) 68.3 R
33. Kevin Brown (19) 68.2 R
34. Rick Reuschel (19) 68.1 R
36. Jim Palmer (19) 67.6 R
38. Zack Greinke (17 so far) 67.4 R
40. John Smoltz (21) 66.4 R
42. Clayton Kershaw (13 so far) 66.3 L
43. Luis Tiant (19) 65.6 R
44. Roy Halladay (16) 65.4 R
Last edited by PPatty; September 3rd, 2020 at 04:59 AM.
JAWS (career WAR averaged with peak [7 best years] WAR) is a pretty good measure for evaluating players - at least for HoF consideration, as it values longevity as well as excellence.
Interestingly, Bert Blyleven (whose HoF merits were questioned for a long time) has a higher peak (7-year) WAR at 50.3 than Justin Verlander's 50.0, yet Verlander is widely considered to be a shoo-in when his time comes.
Last edited by Zarbonius; September 3rd, 2020 at 08:57 AM. Reason: "shoo-in"
Always liked to watch Tom Terrific pitch when I was lucky enough for him to be pitching the one game that they showed on TV a week back then, he always seemed like a great guy as well.
I know WAR is the big thing these days, but for Bob Gibson to be that low just baffles the hell out of me, the guy was nearly unhittable. On the other hand, though, as big of a Nolan Ryan fan as I am I can see him not being in the top 10, and am a little bit surprised he is above possibly Glavine, Palmer and Smoltz.
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The main issue with Blyleven is that he never had a season when he was even close to being considered the best pitcher in his league (finished in the top seven in Cy Young voting four times in 22 years). He is 12th on the career WAR list for pitchers, so clearly he was a hell of a pitcher, but it's easier to appreciate in hindsight because he simply didn't stand out in the moment, his World Series appearances notwithstanding. It was a very long career of very good, which can also be said for the guy at 11th on the WAR list: Are there any memorable Phil Niekro moments?
Verlander, on the other hand, was seen as one of the top two pitchers in his league in at least five seasons -- won two Cy Youngs, finished second three other times. That matters.
WAR is a measurement relative to your peers (Wins Above Replacement, or in other words, how much better are you than the average player of your time?), and Gibson played when pitching in general was at its most dominant -- that's why MLB lowered the mound height after 1968, when the AL batting champ posted only a .301 average. So Gibson was great, as you note, but he also pitched in the era of Sandy Koufax, Denny McClain, etc., and as a result, all of those guys are, in a sense, penalized in WAR for being contemporaries; on the WAR link I posted earlier, the top 50 has no players whose career peaks were in the 1960s, other than Gibson. The top 100 includes Juan Marichal at No. 54, Don Drysdale at 56, Jim Bunning at 63, Whitey Ford at 85 and Koufax at 89 (partly because he only played 12 years, and career WAR is a cumulative stat).
Last edited by PPatty; December 8th, 2020 at 02:07 PM.
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