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    I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    I have a friend who says he's done a REALLY GOOD JOB of being President and because we game together and I don't generally like politics when I'm relaxing in game and killing stuff, I was hoping I could ask the few remaining people who are not left-leaning what you think he has done well.

    This is not a troll, I just can't find any information that doesn't involve weird ambiguous regurgitation.

    What's better now that was busted with previous presidents?

    Most trump supporters I have asked have a tendency to just link articles that are the same kind of echo chamber that this place can sometimes be on the liberal or left-leaning or non-trump side and I'd really like to know what it is that makes you want to support him, because a good gaming buddy of mine swears he does a great job but can't specifically provide examples.

    They must exist, we've been gaming together for almost a decade now and he's far from an idiot, but I also want to hear it from others.

    Help?

    Oh, and no anti-republican rhetoric would be helpful here if you would be so kind. I know most of this boards vocal thoughts, I'm trying to understand the other side.
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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    You do realize that Eisenhower was practically a Communist compared to Trump?
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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    If you hate unions and are all in on oligarch control of the government you have to love what he is doing to the court system. He is gutting the one reliable system that other forces had to keep oligarch control in check. And I'm not just talking about the Supreme Court. Far fewer cases will be won in the lower courts to stop laws that protect workers or worker interests.

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    Might be confirmation bias. A lot of the politics that people like to argue about do not have an immediately recognizable effect on people's lives (unless you are LGBT), but they will choose to believe that they do regardless.


    Maybe someone can give you more concrete reasons to believe these things, but I think the above is probably true for people just in general.

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    I am not a trump supporter, but one year ago, i posted a pretty unbiased video detailing things he has done statistics wise. I should see if that video maker has made an updated one.

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    Quote Originally Posted by Merrick ap'Milandra View Post
    What's better now that was busted with previous presidents?
    I think you might be asking the wrong question. See response to next quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Merrick ap'Milandra View Post
    Most trump supporters I have asked have a tendency to just link articles that are the same kind of echo chamber that this place can sometimes be on the liberal or left-leaning or non-trump side and I'd really like to know what it is that makes you want to support him, because a good gaming buddy of mine swears he does a great job but can't specifically provide examples.
    The Trump supporters I've talked to aren't really concerned with the specific results, so much as they love the idea that Trump is fighting for Americans and standing up for America against the world.

    For instance, is the USMCA a significant improvement on NAFTA? Economists largely agree that it's mostly just rebranding, with some minor updates for the digital era.

    Trump supporters point to it as a big win - ie. Trump managed (with hard-nosed negotiation tactics and the imposition of tariffs) to get access to 3.6% of Canada's dairy market. They aren't all that interested about the 3.25% the US would have had under TPP, nor do they want to know what tiny fraction of a percent dairy makes up out of the total annual US-Canada trade.

    It's not about the results, it's about the show.


    Also, the economy is doing well.

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    The Trump supporters I've talked to aren't really concerned with the specific results, so much as they love the idea that Trump is fighting for Americans and standing up for America against the world.
    Pretty much this. He's also quite good at making small wins seem like huge victories.

    Unemployment is at a 20 year low, wages are higher, african american unemployment is at an all time low. He looks to be breaking the back of china on this tariff thing....their economy is slowing by quite a bit and I'd expect them to concede to much of what the US wants....hopefully we get them to come in line on IP concerns. North Korea has gone quiet but it looked like there was some actual progress on that front. If he sorts out NK, that alone will put him down as the most successful president in recent memory.

    If you get beyond his personality, which admittedly is abrasive as hell, he's actually doing a great job.

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    Or the ducks are all walking in the straight line while he happens to hold office.

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    That Trumps (& accomplices) blatant disregard for and damage to the foundation of democracy can be reduced to "a great job by an abrasive personality" is pretty telling of how different the perception of reality is within the US and the Western world in general these days.

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    That Trumps (& accomplices) blatant disregard for and damage to the foundation of democracy
    I dunno, maybe don't listen to NPR all the time?

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    Quote Originally Posted by Utilaelr View Post
    I dunno, maybe don't listen to NPR all the time?
    I don't really.
    I just live in a slightly less warped part of the world where truth still matters.

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    Quote Originally Posted by Milton Finkelstein View Post
    telling of how different the perception of reality is within the US and the Western world in general these days.
    I don't know how much other western countries are struggling with this, but within the US the rift in the perception of reality between different groups is huge. It's one of the most disconcerting aspects of our current political landscape.

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarbonius View Post
    Also, the economy is doing well.
    I wonder though if it is doing sustainably well.
    I can raise profits and create jobs overnight if I allow pillaging of the Truffula trees.
    Doesn't mean that artificial bump can last in the long term.

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    Re: I'd like to ask for information from Trump supporters here

    I just live in a slightly less warped part of the world where truth still matters
    That expectation is from your politicians?
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