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    Re: San Francisco is a Sh*thole

    Quote Originally Posted by Delores Mulva View Post
    By the way, I think you owe us all a Coke for making Schezar expand on his thoughts. And now, I go out to vote for the more centrist candidates in our local municipal election, because I'm a communist.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM
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    I can't watch that without thinking of Mad Men and Don Draper.

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    Re: San Francisco is a Sh*thole

    Quote Originally Posted by Schezar View Post
    If you're going on welfare, you are not in a position to be a good parent, period.
    I scared Varia away (from the boards entirely, apparently) by asking him to back up his opinion with facts.

    What do you think Schezar will do if I ask him for facts to back up this assertion? Will he respond? Will he find facts? Will he ever post again?

    Let's find out!

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    Re: San Francisco is a Sh*thole

    Quote Originally Posted by Wool View Post
    All this talk of making people's lives miserable so that they have the "motivation" to struggle harder against the already-powerful sounds like a villain's speech.

    Look, if you give a poor person money they are going to spend it. This provides some measure of economic value. Hoarded wealth however serves no purpose.

    P.S. If you want to motivate poor people, you have to be able to make them believe things can be better. There isn't much reason for a lot of people to actually believe such a thing at the moment.
    If they don't want to improve their lot, that's fine. They no longer deserve to be on public assistance at that point, so cut them loose. It's not a class struggle, it's a matter of personal responsibility and work ethic, period. There are plenty of jobs out there for people who are willing to get the basic knowledge and training for them. RNs are in demand everywhere. Hell, medical everything is in demand, pick whatever you are good at and there's a field of work that will snap you up. Medical tech, programmers, data entry, ambulance staff, etc.

    People will always seek the path of least resistance. Just human nature. So yes, motivation needs to be supplied to keep people from living on the dole. That's basic governance 101. We are not a socialist country, and we are not going to become one anytime soon. The last chance of that was wasted when Obama gave up on UHC and let the insurance companies write the ACA. If Ds had come to the table with Trump instead of going scorched earth they probably could have gotten that and DACA for the wall and immigration reform. Might have another opportunity after midterms.
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    Re: San Francisco is a Sh*thole

    Quote Originally Posted by FilanFyretracker View Post
    Just wait I am sure he will blame Obama for that 1.4Tn in 2009 despite the fact that it was bailing out the fuckups by Wall Street that were allowed to happen due to removal of regulations during GOP times. Conservatives love to claim regs are bad but it seems every time we remove them the debt goes up and eventually something goes wrong with the economy. Its never bad to get draconian on the banking industry with regulations.
    Nah, the budget in total is irrelevant to this particular case. The only elements I care about are those associated with welfare, and minimizing them. The overall budget is important, of course, but beyond the scope of my part of the discussion.
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    Re: San Francisco is a Sh*thole

    Quote Originally Posted by Schezar View Post
    We are not a socialist country, and we are not going to become one anytime soon. The last chance of that was wasted when Obama gave up on UHC and let the insurance companies write the ACA. If Ds had come to the table with Trump instead of going scorched earth they probably could have gotten that and DACA for the wall and immigration reform.
    Do you have teleporters and flying cars in your world too, or do you just not understand American politics at all?

    Because if you think the Republicans in Congress, after 8 years of scorched earth tactics against Obama (particularly against ACA), would agree to the kind of massive rewrite of the ACA necessary to achieve UHC - something both they and their corporate masters in the health insurance industry oppose from the deepest, darkest depths of their souls - and that they would capitulate like that after finally securing control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency, you are flat out loony tunes.

    Furthermore, if you think Trump himself would commit to the kind of long-term, in-depth process that such a piece of legislation would necessitate, and would stay the course and give up the opportunity for cheap "victories" along the way, then you have absolutely no understanding of your own President, nor how he operates.

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    Re: San Francisco is a Sh*thole

    Quote Originally Posted by Schezar View Post
    Nah, the budget in total is irrelevant to this particular case. The only elements I care about are those associated with welfare, and minimizing them. The overall budget is important, of course, but beyond the scope of my part of the discussion.
    "Because I don't understand how cuts to welfare could cause an increase in health care costs. I don't even know what health care is or how American politicians view things like UHC."

    "For that matter, I don't see how cutting people off of welfare could result an increase in the crime rate, or increased policing and court costs. I certainly don't understand how that could lead to an increase in costs due to incarceration. Furthermore, I understand little to nothing about foster care, nor the costs of the court staff and social workers who would be responsible for the well being of any children who might be taken away from parents with no source of income."

    "Mostly, I prefer to look at society as individual components that do not interact in any way whatsoever. I find that gives me the simplest analysis possible, and keeps my poor brain from overheating. I also recently started saving money by not changing the oil in my car. I think it's a good solution that will save me hundreds (maybe thousands!) of dollars in the long run. "
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    Re: San Francisco is a Sh*thole

    Now you're coming around!

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