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    Quote Originally Posted by Delores Mulva View Post
    Things aren't going so rosy.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44751283

    Turns out diplomacy is hard. Who knew?
    I am sure dumbass in chief already has tweets lined up blaming dems, Obama, fake news CNN and Hillary Emails for good measure.

    Or maybe he’s too busy playing golf in New Jersey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gidizlo View Post
    Might want to look at Japanese culture. Bowing is a thing there. It's especially considered proper etiquette to bow to the Emperor, in an even more pronounced, lower bow than others. Obama was showing respect and reverence, not a bad thing in diplomacy. I'd say it's possibly fair to say that his head was too low; you're supposed to keep your head and spine in a straight line and not a curve like seen. This is courtesy of a quick google search finding me this website: https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bowing-in-japan/

    And Obama was not the first President to bow to Saudi royalty. Just recently Bush 43 did it in 2008 after receiving a medal from the King. And gave him the traditional double-cheek kiss. Did Fox News blow up over it? You decide: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/01...-abdullah.html

    The same circumstances that Obama bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.

    And here is God Emperor Trump bowing as well:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.603ed4138cb4

    Except, The Healthiest President Ever couldn't/can't bend as far as Bush and Obama (note the hand on the King for balance and support?), so it was more of a ladylike curtsy. Sad!
    Bloody Wapo, always have to go incognito mode to look at those. Pain in the butt. I'm pretty sure thats a sort of crouch, not a bow, in order to get lower so the king could get the award he was presenting up over Trumps' head.

    I wouldnt complain about Obama having a curve- its not like he (or anyone outside the various cultures) has a lot of practice bowing.

    I'd object to bowing for reverence in the context. For respect perhaps, but absolutely not for reverence. The Japanese emperor is not entitled to reverence from anyone who isnt Japanese. Vis-a-vis the US president, I'm generally of the opinion that the higher-ranked person doesnt need to bow/whatever, and at the moment thats sort of unquestionably the US president, and has been since the end of WW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilanFyretracker View Post
    I am sure dumbass in chief already has tweets lined up blaming dems, Obama, fake news CNN and Hillary Emails for good measure.

    Or maybe he’s too busy playing golf in New Jersey.
    You didnt expect NK to just roll over without trying to squirm first, did you? it means precisely nothing unless they actually achieve something with it. Give it a couple of weeks to see if they do. At this point its no different from "Summit's on! Summit's off! Summit's on!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by VariaVespasa View Post

    I'd object to bowing for reverence in the context.
    Forgive me for asking to clarify:

    You object to Obama's bow but have no problem with Trump saluting to a North Korea General?
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    Bowing is generally subservient. Returning a salute that the other guy gave first isnt. Indeed, as a matter of official custom it is explicitly the junior who salutes first. If you're military you are obliged to return the salute. How much that affects a Presidents' inclination to return a salute I dont know. In any case the General saluted first, marking him as the junior and Trump as the superior.

    But in particular- you can make a case for Obama bowing as a politeness (I dont particularly agree with it, but you can certainly make a case for it without looking silly), but NOT for bowing as a matter of reverence. Why would anyone not Japanese revere the Japanese Emperor?

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    It's all China's fault.


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    The world is a supermarket full of can pyramids and Trump is an unshackled 5yr old.
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    "unshackled 5yr old" sent me on a Google search for gifs or videos of the Mike Myers "hyper hypo" kid with Trump's face photoshopped on it. Sadly, no dice.

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    I'm pretty sure its like Rule 34 and now youre obligated to make one! :P

    I fulfilled my duty when it came to making slide-ruler porn, now its your turn with a hyper-kid Trump gif!

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    North Koreans Are No-Shows at Meeting to Discuss U.S. Soldiers’ Remains

    SEOUL, South Korea — North Korean officials did not show up on Thursday for a meeting with Americans at the inter-Korean border to discuss the return of remains of United States soldiers killed in the Korean War, officials said.

    Kim Jong-un, the North’s leader, committed to repatriating American soldiers’ remains in his June talks with President Trump. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said last week, after meeting with officials in North Korea, that working-level talks on the matter would be held on or around Thursday in Panmunjom, the so-called truce village on the border between North and South Korea.

    Though American military officials went to Panmunjom for the meeting on Thursday, their North Korean counterparts did not, according to a United States defense official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. A South Korean government official, who also asked for anonymity, confirmed that the North Koreans had not shown up at Panmunjom.

    It was not clear whether the Americans had been deliberately stood up. Mr. Pompeo had cautioned that the date for the planned meeting at Panmunjom “could move by one day or two,” indicating that the two sides had not settled all the details before he left Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, on Saturday.

    Mr. Pompeo said his discussions in Pyongyang had been productive, though he left without a North Korean agreement to take specific steps toward dismantling its nuclear weapons program. North Korea later said it was seriously disappointed by Mr. Pompeo’s visit, accusing him of making a “unilateral and gangster-like demand for denuclearization,” while failing to offer corresponding American incentives to improve ties between the two countries.

    North Korea has returned the remains of some American soldiers to the United States over the years since 1953, when an armistice halted the Korean War. But about 5,300 Americans presumed to have been killed in the North are still unaccounted for.

    When Mr. Trump and Mr. Kim held their historic summit meeting in Singapore on June 12, Mr. Kim — in addition to promising, in vague terms, to work toward the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula — committed to returning the remains of American troops recovered from major Korean War battle sites in his country, including the “immediate repatriation of those already identified.”

    North Korea was expected to hand over those remains — believed to belong to some 200 to 250 American servicemen — in the weeks following the meeting. The United States military has already moved coffins and American flags to Panmunjom in anticipation of receiving the remains.

    Mr. Trump said last month that the North Koreans had “already sent back, or are in the process of sending back, the remains of our great heroes.” But the repatriation has yet to happen.

    The Pentagon’s effort to find and bring home the long-lost American servicemen has been continually stymied by political tensions over North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs. The repatriation under discussion now would be the first since the work of American military experts and North Korean workers from 1996 to 2005 who recovered remains believed to be those of more than 220 American soldiers.

    Those recovery efforts were suspended in 2005, when the relationship between the two nations worsened over the North’s nuclear weapons program and the Pentagon became concerned about the safety of its search teams.

    Even with the full cooperation of the North, recovery efforts are likely to take years. Remains brought to South Korea would then be transferred to Hawaii, where painstaking forensic work would be carried out to identify them.

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    You mean the remains that Trump stated had already been returned? Apparently in 4D-chess one of the dimensions really is time.

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    Good news: remains have been returned to the U.S., and preliminary results indicate they could be Americans. One set of dog tags came with the remains:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45028879

    Bad news: North Korea is still moving right along with their weapons program:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45015343

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