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    Re: Trump national security advisor Michael Flynn resigns over contacts with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Delores Mulva View Post
    So this is apparently the context for Tillerson calling Trump a moron:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...arsenal-report

    Tillerson was right.
    edit: whoops, misread your post. Just another source for the same thing here.

    And some context to Tillerson's comment:

    At [a] July 19 meeting, according to senior administration officials, Trump asked military leaders to fire the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan and compared their advice to that of a New York restaurant consultant whose poor judgment cost a business valuable time and money.

    Two people familiar with the discussion said the Situation Room meeting, in which the president’s advisers anticipated he would sign off on a new Afghanistan strategy, was so unproductive that the advisers decided to continue the discussion at the Pentagon the next day in a smaller setting where the president could perhaps be more focused. “It wasn’t just the number of people. It was the idea of focus,” according to one person familiar with the discussion. The thinking was: “Maybe we need to slow down a little and explain the whole world” from a big-picture perspective, this person said.
    It was after the followup meeting, on July 20, that Tillerson called Trump a fucking moron. It's unclear which moronic Trump behavior prompted the remark, but the meeting did include Trump stating his desire for us to drastically increase our nuclear weapon stockpile.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...eaders-n809701
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    increase it?

    Because being able to execute Exterminatus two times over is not enough.

    In what logical reason would we ever need MORE nuclear weapons? Heck he cannot even bring up North Korea since well you can likely nuke anything important there with a single ICBM with a MIRV on top.
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    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/918296242660302848

    Is Trump really claiming that the U.S. national debt is dropping because the stock market went up? Is he really that stupid?

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    Re: Trump national security advisor Michael Flynn resigns over contacts with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Khieran View Post
    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/918296242660302848

    Is Trump really claiming that the U.S. national debt is dropping because the stock market went up? Is he really that stupid?
    It doesn't matter if it's true or not. One it's in a tweet, it's the gospel truth for his followers.
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    Re: Trump national security advisor Michael Flynn resigns over contacts with Russia

    Adding government debt to shareholder value. This moron math is complicated. In the real world, US debt is up, although not much (relatively speaking):

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41596847

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    Our national debt is larger than our GDP, we've run a deficit every year since 2001, and a large one in recent years, yet the GOP and Trump are pushing fucking tax cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khieran View Post
    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/918296242660302848

    Is Trump really claiming that the U.S. national debt is dropping because the stock market went up? Is he really that stupid?
    of course he is.

    Hes also taking credit for the rising markets. Tbh the only stocks surging should be defense stocks, Trump will start a war eventually and that will need things that go boom and things that deliver the boom goer to its target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilanFyretracker View Post
    of course he is.

    Hes also taking credit for the rising markets. Tbh the only stocks surging should be defense stocks, Trump will start a war eventually and that will need things that go boom and things that deliver the boom goer to its target.
    The problem is, I'm afraid the war he starts will be nuclear... and it'll be over before we'd have time to cash in our stock profits, or we won't be around to cash them in

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    Well, crap... looks like we'll never get rid of Trump:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7996341.html

    He said once Republicans "start bailing on him, the stage is set" for impeachment."

    Asked if Republicans would go that far, the senator replied: "Not yet. Here’s the thing. They really want to get this tax bill through. That’s all they have going for them.

    "They don’t want to face voters in ’18 or ’20 without something to show for it. They’re just praying Trump doesn’t do something really, really stupid before the tax bill."
    Robert Reich thinks that the Republicans will start impeachment proceedings once their tax bill passes... they can't pass wind right now, how they gonna pass this crappy POS tax bill?

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    Re: Trump national security advisor Michael Flynn resigns over contacts with Russia

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    The problem is, I'm afraid the war he starts will be nuclear... and it'll be over before we'd have time to cash in our stock profits, or we won't be around to cash them in
    and for all my loathing of the American political asshole mess we see, I don't want a ghastly war that could start, be it NK, or worse, Russia and/or China.
    Too much loathing for ruin and chaos such asshattery causes,, too many friends and family that could get ganked etc, hell I wouldn't even want Satan's Gnome nuked
    the human cost would be vile and even if it's "just" the NK's it would likely bring down the world economy if those loons let off WMD

    with NK you have the base issue
    is the NK leadership really acting a part or are they really crazy/zealots?
    hell, just acting the part can lead to actual craziness or minions believing it and firing missiles "for their country's honour!"

    I genuinely fear they'd be crazy enough to have WMD smuggled in and unleash havoc in US cities.
    I'm not going to say what I suspect is possible in case they damn well do it (and I'm not merely talking about simply smuggling a nuke in a cargo container bad as that would be),
    focusing only on ICBMs is IMHO, foolish

    I'm sorry but Americans in general don't seem in general to get how different other cultures can think and view things, hence part of the catalogue of fuck ups in recent decades.
    When you have a fuck up like Trump in charge, this makes the risk of catastrophic war from sheer misunderstandings SKY ROCKET

    also, Americans as a culture (again generality, caveat etc) don't get the real risk of war, because America has never been slaughtered, bombed flat etc
    Even Sherman's "march to the Sea" was by most standard, extremely humane.
    The Russians in particular have REAL frikkin issues because of their repeated history of butcheries on their land, and the Chinese have less compunction about leaving dead in colossal amounts to achieve an aim than we do.

    Some enemies do need fought, but having the leadership in the hands of vermin like Trump and the GOP at such times is utterly insane risk.
    Trump wanting more nukes other day, ye gods!
    it really is playing Russian Roulette, and eventually, the hammer will fall on a loaded chamber

    lol with my love of alt history etc...fact is, we may be just lucky enough to be alive because we are in a timeline where the nukes didn't fly etc, and around us, millions of other Earth's are wastelands.
    it's actually not as crazy as it sounds but betting on staying in that "goldilocks zone" is stupid.
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    Re: Trump national security advisor Michael Flynn resigns over contacts with Russia

    Remember those sanctions that we put on Russia a few months back? Let's see how they're working out...

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/congre...nt-tell-us-why

    When Congress sent President Donald Trump a bill in July that slapped new sanctions on Russia, the president signed the legislation reluctantly while lambasting it as an example of congressional overreach.

    The administration has since blown past an October 1 deadline to implement the sanctions. Lawmakers are now searching for answers as to whether the president is even planning to follow the law that they passed and he signed.
    Per the legislation, the administration was required to issue guidance by October 1 on how it was implementing the sanctions against Russia. That process includes publishing a list of the people and organizations who will be targeted by the sanctions, which are primarily aimed at Russia’s defense and intelligence sectors.

    But that deadline came and went without any actual guidance issued, and lawmakers feel as though they are being stonewalled by an administration which has the tools it needs to implement and enforce the sanctions, yet has not followed through. A National Security Council spokesman declined to comment to The Daily Beast.
    The administration’s delay in implementing the sanctions comes as Congress and special counsel Robert Mueller are both investigating Russia’s election meddling. Trump has dismissed the probes as a “hoax” and “fake news.” But lawmakers have, nevertheless, expressed an urgency to punish Russia for its actions, warning that the Kremlin is poised to wage similar influence campaigns aimed at sowing division and chaos in the run-up to U.S. elections. That Trump doesn’t share that urgency continues to perplex even his Capitol Hill allies.

    “The Trump administration is slow when it comes to Russia. They have a blind spot on Russia I still can’t figure out,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Sunday on NBC’s Meet the Press. When asked what Congress could do to force the administration to act, Graham was vague, saying only: “The Congress will have a way to hold the president accountable.”
    Hmmm... a President that refuses to follow the law... if only there were something Congress could do about that...

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    he is not dragging his feet when he should be working, he has a golf cart.


    Nothing will happen because the congress critters are seemingly terrified of Trump's base.
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    Jeff Flake of all Senators, while announcing he won't seek re-election, made a surprising condemnation of Trump and argument against supporting Trump.


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    It's so refreshing to hear eloquence and a picture of America in hopeful statements coming from a Republican. That speech was awesome and I can guarantee that every other Senator in that building wanted to say the exact words he was saying.

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    Re: Trump national security advisor Michael Flynn resigns over contacts with Russia

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    It's so refreshing to hear eloquence and a picture of America in hopeful statements coming from a Republican. That speech was awesome and I can guarantee that every other Senator in that building wanted to say the exact words he was saying.
    Its a damn shame that this, like everything else, means precisely DICK. The only thing that will change anything at this point is an honest to God revolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arinath View Post
    Its a damn shame that this, like everything else, means precisely DICK. The only thing that will change anything at this point is an honest to God revolution.
    There's several underway currently. But if you mean armed revolution, you're probably going to be waiting a while. As long as we have panem et circenses noone is going to push that hard.
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    Flake's speech was great and all, but if he is really that upset and wants to see things change... well, he is a U.S. Senator after all! Stay in there and fight for change. Be someone who goes against what he hates about the government and try to actually drain the cesspool we call Washington. Running away isn't going to solve anything. He's a U.S. SENATOR! One of the actual few people in this country who has any kind of shot at making a change in government. Who knows, maybe he will get re-elected by sticking to his morals and standing up for what he believes in. Hey, it could happen... why not give that a try. If it doesn't work, then you can quit.

    No, instead, we get "Oh, it's too hard and they're too mean... I'm going to take my ball and go home!" You ran for the fucking job. Now do it!

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    Re: Trump national security advisor Michael Flynn resigns over contacts with Russia

    On another note, apparently, Hillary's team was partially behind the Steele Dossier:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politi...ign/index.html

    The newspaper, citing people familiar with the matter, said a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC hired Fusion GPS, which in turn hired former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, whose research makes up the document. The Post said Perkins Coie lawyer Marc Elias retained the research firm in April 2016 as the GOP primary was winding down and Trump was increasingly likely to clinch his party's nomination.
    Sure, a lot of people expected it. I guess this confirms it.

    Doesn't make the info in the dossier wrong though
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    Re: Trump national security advisor Michael Flynn resigns over contacts with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Khieran View Post
    On another note, apparently, Hillary's team was partially behind the Steele Dossier:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politi...ign/index.html



    Sure, a lot of people expected it. I guess this confirms it.

    Doesn't make the info in the dossier wrong though
    This is, I am positive, old news. Perhaps it's now being confirmed, and that's is why it's news. But last summer/fall, when news of the Steele dossier came out, it was known from the start that the DNC/Hillary Campaign had financed this opposing research. But some republican candidates had started Steele along his way, and pointed to Democratic politicos his direction when it became apparent they would lose the Republican nomination to Trump.

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