Wizard vs. epic Mage?

I'm nowhere near the levels where I would be fighting an epic-equipped mage, but tonight on my carebear server there was a 58 mage with epic bragging about how he could win against any other class his own level. Most of his arguement seemed to be based on relying on his pet and his innate "smartness" (i.e. 'a smart mage could win in that situation, blah blah').

Now, it's entirely possible that he's right, but how would you go up against a 58 mage with epic? I'm hoping to hear from people with actual first-hand experience, and not just people speculating, although feel free to speculate if you have some original ideas =).

due to the high MR of the epic pet, you're not going to have alot of luck trying to root/snare it. If you try to root it more than 2x, the mage has already one because the pet has been beating on you and he has been casting DD's thru your root casts.

You usually need some trick to do it. I've seen wizards with a bio orb keep rightclicking it till the effect stuck (procs a blind, which acts the same as fear on a pet). Even then the mage will have a small jump on you as far as DD's, but your resists and use of lures should make up for it.

But your best bet is to somehow get him in the arena before he even casts his epic pet hehhe

On TZ I've fought a lvl 60 Mage w/epic when I was 52.

The only reason I lived is becuz of a nice distanced Yonder.

Epic Pets have high MR, hit hard as hell, but MOST IMPORTANTLY are faster than SoW (I think they are as fast as Spirit of Cheetah - or damn close). So even if u DO Yonder, they are so fast that before u have time to DoF you are being pulverized again.

Anywayz - if yer lucky to get a root off, u might wanna try snare also. Prolly gunna be resisted but either way - u HAVE to slow that pet down somehow becuz a broken root will pretty much spell the end for you.

So I recommend trying to snare pet once it's rooted and pray your resists hold up against the mages nukes, or just hope your root holds long enough for you to nuke the mage down.

Ace
Invicta
Tallon Zek

The epic pet has very very little MR, I have never failed to root or fetter it on the first try, its not even an annoyance to deal with. /duel, root pet, kill mage, end of story. It is also quite fearable if it doesnt have that spell cast on it.

omg teferi what blue server do you play on? i agree with Acilltatem. i play on TZ with him and we have to ditch pvp 24/7 due to re emergence of a high end pvp guild. the only way i see to beat him is get the jump on him. duel wise i think it is impossible... i had the pet rape me and before i knew it i was stunned half life with rain pouring all over me. dead in 20 secs... welcome to pvp me says

Crimsonjade
53 wizard of TZ

Teferi is compleatly right, in strait up dueling a mage, root pet and its over.. Dont matter what server you play on. Plus you are only 53 so you have no idea on the difference with resists at higher levels.

Staineos 60 wizard
Vae Inimicus

Staineous,
You need to STFU and get a clue what you are talking about. We are not talking about any mage pet here, but the mage epic pet. This pet has incredibly high MR and it is very difficult to root or snare him. If you were not such a bluebie lewt whore you might realize this. Why don't you go back to the regular forum and hold hands and sing songs with all the other PvE faggot morons. Please leave the PvP talk to us who play on a PvP server, or anyone who generally does not have their head stuck up their ass like you.

Garnd DaLamer

Be nice Garnd

Or I'll be forced to PK joo again :lol:

In any case - the epic mage pet DOES have a higher MR, whether or not the bluebie mages you dueled failed to buff their pets accordingly is entirely different.

Oh and btw, any mage worth a shit has pre-nerf pumice - or in the case of bluebie servers will have annul magic memmed so when his pet DOES get rooted, it can be annuled.

Sounds to me yer fighting someone who doesnt know shit about PvP, regardless of the level resist difference.

If I was a mage, and knew that my pet being rooted was the WORST thing that could happen to me, I would have a way to remove that root when it comes.

My 2cp.

Ace
Knights of the White Rose
Tallon Zek

All you PvP people act like u all tough cause u grew up in the hood where everyone raped you. Garnd just because you get your ass raped does not mean it cant be done, I have personally dueled alot of EPIC mage pets, and FETTER owns them strait up. The only reason a Mage does not have a chance against a wizard is they have no dmg absorber. Sure cancel magic on pet is fine but i will have tears on mage while he is casting cancel, So if he wants to sit through 3 rains he will he owned. In any caster duel all it comes down is who thinks the quickest and smartest. Which also explains why you have no idea on what you are doing. I really feel bad for you that mages own you, but they have never owned me.
And btw wtf is loot whore? just because i have better gear and 10x as much hps at you dont mean i am loot whore.


Staineos 60 wiz of VI

Staineous do me a favor ok?

Go duel an epic mage that has a PRENERF PUMICE or GOLEM METAL WAND.

Becuz just about anyone who PvPs worth a damn has those items.

So that way when u cast your "uber" Fetter, it is removed INSTANTLY. It's a pain in the ass, epic pet or not, but with the epic is even worse cuz u die that much faster.

Anywayz do that and tell me who wins k?

THEN you will have a taste of "the hood"....beyotch!! lol (joking)

Ace
Knights of the White Rose
Tallon Zek

Sorry you guys have no fucking clue. OMG fear the golem wands, fetter it again after they are done... snare it ... do whatever, it has shit for mr, ive landed draught of JIVA on it for fun. Not like mage nukes are even dangerous, omg scars of sigil is almost as good as sunstrike in pvp, /resist, thx 200 fr. They might have a chance if they have a shitload of wands lol. You could just use markars discord and tishans discord to stun it and slip in an ice spear after markars lands and kill the pet if you have tons of fr and time on your hands.

One thing, if you red server fuckers are so uber why havent you dominated in the botb? equip? please.... if your skillz are so l33t you should be able to overcome equipment right? lol

Teferi,

You obviously haven't fought a mage that was any good, and you obviously have no clue what its like to have your root broken 5 times in a row with a prenerf pumice or golem metal wand. It sux.

Until you go and duel a mage that uses this technique, I suggest you keep your comments to yourself.

I'm not saying they cant be killed, I'm just saying a smart pet owner is one of the hardest opponents.

I've fought people who as soon as root breaks they start casting annul magic on it before I even start casting root - in other words it lands almost immediately after my root lands or I hafta wait until he interrupts his annul in the meantime getting the shit beat outta me by their pet.

Like I said before - it sux.

And why havent we won all the BotB??

I can give u a few reasons. First of all TZ has VERY FEW level 60 players in comparison to other servers. Newer server and harder to level becuz of PvP.

Not only that but we have even fewer who have "uber" gear, becuz once again, less lvl 58+ people = less uber raids etc = less uber gear.

Our melee's "joust" in PvP. Blue servers have NO clue what that even is. You guys stand there and just whack each other. The Paladin BotB - our PAL representative had REAL shitty gear compared to u guys, but becuz he was jousting and the blue guy didnt know how he was kicking his ass. (well he was winning by a considerable margin lets put it that way).

BUT they had a time limit on the fight so the GMs snared them and our PAL couldnt joust anymore - it became a toe to toe swingfest with "uber gear" winning the fight over skills.

As for other classes, yes gear matters. First of all, "arena duels" suck becuz they dont even represent a "real fight".

"Here let me buff to full and med to full and blah blah blah".

No, what happens in the real thing is you run up on someone while they are medding, at 3/4 health and half mana, only a few PvE buffs on, and u gank them. You can get one or two spells off before they even have u targetted.

So lets look at BotB wizards. In an arena setting you are just gunna stand there and pretty much nuke each other down. I think ours was done before Lures right? Either way it comes down to better resist gear and better hit point gear.

Which u guys have.

Not much skill in pressing "nuke" in an arena duel.

Ace
KotWR
TZ

Real pvp=Quake3 this eq pvp=warrior with 2hs and disc paradise.

I'll skip passed the dewd comments on this thread and tries to answer the question:

Its very difficult. If you're 60 and with epic you have a shot if you can keep the pet rooted long enough to cast lure of ice (need like three of those to kill the mage). On a PvP server with a skilled mage I wouldn't even try it. Even a normal pet can mess up a wizard since wizards can't fear it.

you bluebies crack me up. You think ya know everything because you loot whore zones a few months before we even see them.

Oh and btw blewbs, gear = half the battle. you prolly got the same resists as me, or better, but twice the mana/hp cuz you have some shit from some mob that requires a zerg rush that we couldn't do with our entire server.

blubies say "hey guys, lets go lvl up and get awesome loot, so we can....get more loot that enables us to....get more loot" wtf

I say, "Hey I need some decent shit so I can go kick that guys ass"

Falpin Frostbite

Lol I was thinking of making a wizard on a pvp teams, but now I'm thinking of making it a mage instead. Everyong here but the pve guys say that mages are unbeatable. So are they? (on pvp servers?)

The original post stated that the mage could *own any other class* in a duel. Clearly nonsense of course. Hard work for caster I agree , but far from impossible however. Watch a mage fight a ranger , its a joke , they last under 20 seconds usually. Oh and I have no trouble whatsoever landing snare on epic pets either...none , and Mages inferior nukes simply dont land even if they can manage to channel a 7 second spell with epic steel rammed up their ass.

I would say the mage was rather over exagerating.

Blue server/red server..its a lifestyle choice , be mature about it before blowing off. I play both (pvp wizard naturally , the only way to fly).

Volcane Skydarkener Wizard of Xev

Warspite Wizard of Talon Zek

BTW the mage spell is 2 seconds YES 2 seconds..not 7..and with 190 FR ..i was still getting hit for 330 a bolt..yeah their bolts that hit around corners. Verant has basically screwed wizards post 50. BTW I have resist all 150+ most 180 +, all the debuff potions I can have, golem rods, jboots, AlKabor staff and every other device known to EQ to increase your chances at winning a battle, and guess what...

Unless you get the chance to get the jump on someone and they can't get you targeted right away, OR you get a perfectly placed yonder (1 in 30 tries this happens)..you will be exteremly LUCKY to kill other classes, and you can't kill healing classes or Warriors with Fungi's, and if your forced to use your lures (95% of 50+ have resists that demand this)..you will not win 90 % of the time (can you say 4.5 second cast time) ..pretty cool huh ? (Draughts are worthless in PvP).

Thanks Verant..well at least Druids are getting Lure root/snare and we are the masters of Quick damage..oh unless your a mage who is handicapped with an epic pet..obviously mages needed the faster casting time as their defenses are far inferior to ours..and we have root..oh wait..root is worhteless in PvP as well..hmm not sure what VErant was smoking on this one..

Neyfears, how do you get the staff of AlKabor?

I didnt know epic mage pets where faster than sow