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Speaking of the current war and its side-effects I feel the need to annoy certain people by posting this, since they cheerfully poo-poo'd the concept of onshoring critical production because of vulnerability to outside influence, particularly as related to China and Germany (and to a lesser degree Europe).
A thread of fuck you goodness. https://twitter.com/cabot_phillips/s...5Es1_&ref_url=
We need to build chip fabs in the USA and fast, Stupidly Intel is doing it in Arizona though. Chip fabrication requires shitloads of water and so while its good they are building a USA plant they are doing in a part of the USA that may not be inhabitable in 20 years. With coal a deadend venture they should be building the fabs in places like WV where there is plentiful water and plentiful people that can likely be retrained.
Russia Strikes Odessa Port After Signing Deal to Unblock Ukrainian Grain Exports
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KYIV, Ukraine—Russia launched a missile attack on Ukraine’s key grain-exporting port of Odessa hours after signing an international agreement to lift its blockade of the Black Sea coastline and allow for the transport of grain and other foodstuffs necessary to alleviate a looming global food crisis.
The attack on Odessa appeared to violate the terms of the United Nations-brokered agreement signed by Russia and Ukraine in Istanbul on Friday, which stipulated that both countries would refrain from attacking port facilities or civilian ships used for grain transport, according to a copy of the agreement reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres condemned the strike, saying in a statement that all parties had committed to ensuring the safe movement of Ukrainian grain shipments.
At least two Russian Kalibr cruise missiles hit Odessa, the only major Ukrainian port resisting Russian occupation, damaging infrastructure at the site, Ukraine officials said. Another two of the missiles, which Russia has been launching from warships and submarines, were shot down by aerial defenses, officials said.
A railcar discharging point and a warehouse used for loading grain were destroyed in the attack, according to international grain traders.
The target of the strike was likely a nearby shipbuilding yard, workers at the port said.
“It’s obvious that the agreement with Russia is not even worth the paper it was signed on…Russia is a terrorist state,” said Ukraine’s ambassador to Turkey, Vasyl Bodnar, who was present at the signing of the agreement.
Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman Oleg Nikolenko said the attack on Odessa was like spitting in the face of the U.N. and Turkey, which facilitated and hosted the negotiations.
“We urge the U.N. and Turkey to ensure Russia’s compliance with its obligations to provide a safe corridor for the grain exports,” Mr. Nikolenko said in a statement posted to Facebook.
Russia also struck Saturday a military airport and a railway station in central Ukraine, authorities said, in another long-range attack reaching far beyond the immediate front lines. Ukraine, meanwhile, is continuing to take advantage of Western weapons to stall Russia’s military advance.
Andriy Raikovych, head of the Kirovohrad region in central Ukraine, said 13 missiles were fired at infrastructure and military facilities overnight, leaving at least three people dead and 13 wounded. Another strike, on Mykolaiv in the south, destroyed a warehouse, authorities there said.
Odessa, the only key port city on the Black Sea still held by Ukraine, was also shelled Saturday, with local media reporting seven missile strikes inside the urban area.
Ukraine’s forces meanwhile used U.S.-made rocket launchers in a systematic shelling campaign seemingly aimed at cutting off vital supplies from the strategically important southern region of Kherson, which Russia has occupied since early in the invasion, Russian and Ukrainian officials said.
Kyiv’s use of Himars launchers to bombard two strategic bridges over the Dnipro and Inhulets rivers has already made tank and truck traffic between Kherson and Russia near-impossible, according to officials and footage from the ground circulating on social media. Ukrainian officials have said that they are preparing a counteroffensive to liberate the Kherson region.
Residents of cities throughout Ukraine have largely become accustomed to the sound of air-raid sirens portending a possible rocket attack, with the majority disregarding advice to find the nearest underground shelter and wait until the danger has passed. Mr. Raikovych asked them to reconsider.
“I continually urge you to not ignore the sirens and immediately go to a shelter,” he wrote on the Telegram messaging app.
The latest round of attacks beyond the front lines comes as Ukrainian forces slow the Russian campaign to take the Donbas region in the east. Ukraine’s strikes on arms depots and strategic bridges in Russian-occupied territory, and its effective use of Himars rocket systems and other Western-supplied arms, have made it much harder for Russia to solidify its occupation in certain regions and to main the relentless artillery barrages that have underpinned its piecemeal but steady advance since April.
Analysts say a brief operational pause earlier this month following Russia’s capture of the eastern Luhansk region has given its troops too little time to recover before their campaign resumed this week.
“Russian forces are degraded, they are beat up, tired and exhausted, and they need to regroup in order to be able to regain some of the combat effectiveness which they’d lost over the course of the Donbas campaign and the overall war,” said George Barros, an analyst at the Washington-based Institute for the Study of War. “An approximately 10-day operational pause is not sufficiently long for the Russian forces to be able to regain the strength that they need.”
While the battlefield picture has ossified in recent days, diplomatic avenues to resolve the crisis have made some headway. In an agreement aimed at ending the grain crisis caused by the war, Ukraine and Russia paved the way for the resumption of exports from Black Sea ports blocked by Russian ships. Delegates from the two countries signed parallel deals Friday at a ceremony in Istanbul, following months of diplomacy led by Turkey and the United Nations.
The agreement could free up about 18 million tons of wheat, corn and other supplies that have been stuck at Ukrainian ports and grain silos for weeks. Grain analysts have said they expect it could take weeks for grain shipments to begin flowing again, if both sides remain committed to the deal.
Late on Friday, Ukraine said operations at some of its ports may resume in as little as three days. Yury Vaskov, Ukraine’s deputy infrastructure minister and a member of the country’s delegation at the talks in Istanbul, told Ukrainian media on Friday that the port of Chornomorsk south of Odessa is preparing to handle the first vessel carrying grain.
The most active wheat futures contract fell 5.9%, to $7.59 per bushel, in trading on the Chicago Board of Trade Friday, as the deal raised hopes that a restart to Ukrainian grain exports would ease a brewing global food-supply crisis.
The deal has been seen as a limited but promising step toward bringing the two sides closer to a peace deal. Some European Union countries have suggested Ukraine should make concessions to Russia in exchange for peace. But in an interview with The Wall Street Journal on Friday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said any pause in the fighting could merely give battered Russian forces a chance to regroup and rearm.
Instead he called for further weapons supplies from the West, and credited the support of Ukraine’s allies for shifting the balance on the battlefield and allowing Ukraine to bog down Russian troops fighting to capture swaths of the country’s east. Shortly after he spoke, the White House on Friday announced another $270 million worth of weapons for Ukraine, including four more Himars and hundreds more Phoenix Ghost drones.
The U.S. also said that the Pentagon is considering providing Ukrainian forces with fighter jets. It is “making some preliminary explorations into the feasibility of potentially providing fighter aircraft to the Ukrainians,” said John Kirby, the National Security Council coordinator for strategic communication. U.S. officials have previously resisted supplying Ukraine with fighter jets over concerns that they could risk a more direct conflict with Moscow.
Sanctions, eh?
"Oh but we never started this whole thing off to take over Russia, break it up and steal their resources, OH NOES! We are the Good Guys, TM!"
Here we go, nice proof on their own damn website of the aspirations of the US military industrial complex
the Russian response being a big fat "NYET!"
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...ND_RB10014.pdf
And who the fuck ya think paid for and supports this?
CIA, MI6, banks and corporations desperate to loot Russia to keep their vampiric system going because they know the West's foul system is on the verge of collapse and need more victims to drain to keep the giant Ponzi scheme going
And why the Russians WILL KILL US ALL IF WE DON'T STOP FUCKING WITH THEM
it's an EXISTENTIAL WAR!
For Russia/CHina to stay as sovereign nations must see the destruction of the West, either financially, politically...or literally!!
there is NO MIDDLE GROUND cause our leaders are complete fucking out of touch, coked-up lunatics, as Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria etc have proven to the Russians/Chinese
so they are going to fight to the *death*
Planning the break of Russia...while Russia is wiping the floor in Ukraine...omfg, the hubris
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/07/...ion-in-prague/
Ukraine is just one small part of a very big war that's 90% not about armies or battles or Ukraine.
I keep hoping some of you aren't so mind fucked you are preparing for what's coming and thus survive, sigh
And anyone still claiming the Ukrainians aren't riddled with, controlled by CIA, oligarch and Nazi cunts, is a moron.
Not only have they been boasting of their allegiance on social media for years, including tattoos and crimes they even posted videos of torture/murder of Russian POWs, not fake stuff like Zelensky and Co keeps posting, but actual on their own accounts fun fun detailed torture sessions of pulling otu eyeballs, kneecappings and neck shots
oh well, the tattoos make it easy to sort them out when captured
they also used them as "anti retreat forces"....you try to retreat, they shoot you, so there's been increasing conflict between the ordinary Ukrainian military and those fucks, and the Russians are SOOOO happy to bomb the fuck out of them especially with thermobarics
For months that bastard Zelensky and his media whores have been pumping out crap, while sending his people into a total meat grinder, while our media keeps saying "they are winning! this new thingy ma bob is a game changer!"
meanwhile the Russians are not fighting for territory at all and never have been
they are grinding the fuck out of the poor bastard Ukrainian army
there's less than 15% of the Russian army involved in this, much of it's the break away Republic militias and mercenaries
For every actual Russian tank getting taken out by a Javelin or whatever, it took at least 6 attempts...what do you think happened to those other attempts? You can find video footage if you want and have the stomach for it
Russian tank autoloader systems suck? well they are pretty good at loading HE-Frag and turning 5+ men into bloody rags toot fucking sweet
"Old Russian tanks suck! shows how desperate they are!" says our media
no, they are using them as deposable ASSAULT GUNS you sellout fucking corporate whores in our media!
Ukrainians hole up in Soviet era apartment blocks....updated T60s blow the living shit out of the building way out of Javelin range
Javelin = 900 metre range IF it works
tank gun = 5km range and can directly hit a single man at 3km, three shots out of five
Apartment block? pfft!
HIMARS? oh FFS...go read up on how many different types of multiple launch rocket systems the Russians have, and their single ballistic missile launchers, and the colossal amount of RESERVE units and ammo they have
Western stuff is in general over priced SHIT, it breaks down way too much, costs FAR too much, too much logistic train
meanwhile the Russians ARE the masters of rocketry and their total artillery always dwarfed NATO, with equipment that may not have been quite as good but was way more reliable and had absolute SHIT tons of it at way cheaper costs.
God is on the side of the Big ARTILLERY battalions
so now they are simply exterminating the Ukrainians :(
the Russians WANT the Ukrainians ot keep making these stupid attacks cause they wipe the poor bastards out, cause being out in the open when the entire suite of artillery comes down is....far worse than anything ever seen in World War One
but hey that's ok they are as usual, "dying for Uncle Sam and Democracy!" :Popcorn:
"Russians are running out of rockets, using old Soviet ones!"
because they WORK, you don't need a bloody million dollar missile to take out a fucking bridge THAT DOESN'T MOVE!
or a shopping mall which is being used to house weapon dumps
kind of funny how a massive bloody anti-carrier missile hitting a shopping mall in middle of the day at weekend only caused 15 deaths, isn't it...?
Well to anyone who had any damn brains, cause it was WEAPON dump with some military guards/logistics folk, not hundreds of civilians like normal
and shopping malls do not have massive secondary explosions...well unless it's 3 storey gun store maybe :p
maybe it's finally trickling through to some of you...if not, tough shit
I've got more important things to worry about, like quadrupled gas bills for Winter, if not more
and considering what to do if it goes nuclear
While I disagree with almost everything you've said, I am glad to see that you are alive and well, Silver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverblade-T-E
Inflation and high fuel costs are hurting a lot of people right now - I hope you're holding up ok.
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Originally Posted by Zarbonius
being disabled and living in Scotland has resulted in less crap for me than others, so far
but this is going to get die as hell :(
as for Ukraine, sorry but the utter lying propaganda form the West is beyond anything the Soviets ever achieved,
and, it's falling apart, finally.
this shit has been known since the early days, with the Ukrainian hiding their military and ammo dumps inside civilian buildings, like...all the shopping malls that got blown up
funny how a huge shopping mall got blown up during a weekend and only 15 people died...unless it was holding munitions and soldiers, ergo no HUNDREDS or thousands of civilians inside, and thus less deaths AND why they were so many secondary explosions at these events
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-rel...tial-areas-new
Russian tactics are slaughtering Ukrainians every damn day FOR THE GLORY OF AMERICA and the profit of London banks and the US arms industry! (tm), Russians though don't keep making huge media BS all the time , they are doing a job of work, just grinding their cousins into paste :(
letting the Ukranians advance/attack where they can, drawing them out of fix defences to annihilate them on open ground
or as occurred in one small town other day, when they are in fixed defences, drop 6500 artillery round son it and fuxxor the poor buggers
So much for America's promises NOT give long range HIMARs missiles to Ukraine, or for Ukraine not to fire them into Russian territory, oh that's going to end well, not!
remember the Russians have THOUSANDS of long range missile systems, not just...24
and dribbling stuff in, ensures the Russians have time and ease to LEARN how to deal with NATO weapon systems, oh how clever of our leaders! Putin must be laughing his ass off! :rolleyes:
also, Ukrainians are busily SELLING the Russians Western gear up to and including...a HIMARS plus ammo!
West is pissing away its military inventory, we cannot make more because of all the logistic issues and corporate greed (West's stuff is crap for reliability and as the Ukrainians themselves have complained, NOT suitable for high intensity conflicts, "inbuilt obsolescence", who'd a thunk it?)
and whether you like it or not, NATO's own exercises have shown we don't have the ammo, replacement parts etc for less than a week of conflict with the likes of Russia, never mind China. Ammo and storing LOTS of it not being a "high profit" item for the "Military Industrial Complex"
Ever read what happened in the Korean War, hm? Not only read it, talked about it with lovely fella who'd fought in it.
lessons have been totally forgotten by the fuckwits generals who are whores for Lockheed Martin etc :(
While Silver is citing poorly sourced Amnesty reports and completely misunderstanding the nature of urban warfare, this is what either Russian troops or the rusich unit of Wagner PMC is doing to Ukrainian civilians:
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A Twitter thread regarding Ukrainians and so called Nazis IE exposing Russia's bullshit propaganda justification for their invasion.
https://twitter.com/rynkrynk/status/...gk-RaF83y6UPBY
Just out of curiosity Silver - do you think the Holodomor happened?
My belief is that Silver is reading more right-wing sites (the ones more prone to his beloved conspiracy theories), and those places are filled with Russian propaganda. It's not malice, it's being deliberately taken down the garden path. I've been waiting for him to make a specific oddball claim that I could ask for "proof" on, so he'd link a source and we could see how bad it is. It's unfortunate that he follows Russian claims. There's one major conspiracy theory out there which, if true, has wrecked his life more than any other: that the Russians were providing significant funding and propaganda for the pro-Brexit side. Guess that's one conspiracy theory he doesn't believe.
You are far kinder than I, Delores. I am waiting for him to regurgitate the Ukrainians = Nazis bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...ists-lpjnsp7qgQuote:
Originally Posted by Ninetoes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regiment
Symbol of the Azov battalion, until it became too obviously a problem for Western media who were BLURRING the fucking symbol out or cropping video/pics to hide the fact Azov are so prevalent/powerful in the Ukrainian military/power structures, and their symbol combines both the Nazi's "Black Sun" and the "Wolfsangel"...very embarrassing for the lying bullshit that the Ukrainians were all "uber heroes fighting the evil orcs!"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massac...astern_Galicia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ho...ion_in_UkraineQuote:
The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (Polish: rzeź wołyńska, lit. 'Volhynian slaughter'; Ukrainian: Волинська трагедія, romanized: Volynska trahediia, lit. 'Volyn tragedy'), were carried out in German-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, or the UPA, with the support of parts of the local Ukrainian population against the Polish minority in Volhynia, Eastern Galicia, parts of Polesia and Lublin region from 1943 to 1945.[7] The peak of the massacres took place in July and August 1943. Most of the victims were women and children.[8] Many of the Polish victims regardless of age or gender were tortured before being killed; some of the methods included rape, dismemberment or immolation, among others.[5] The UPA's actions resulted in between 50,000[1] and 100,000 deaths.[3][4]
There are plenty of photos and videos, including for years BEFORE this war began of the Azov, Right Sector and other scum showing off their Adolf Hitler, Black Sun, Swastika, Deathshead (specifically Totenkopfverbande NOT the usual "gothic" stuff) and Bandera tattoos
and boasting of their crimes against Jews, non-whites and mostly, Russian speakers.
Eastern Europe has long had a very vicious racist problem, all nations to extents do, but Eastern Europe it's above norms and that's what international experts concluded, too.
https://www.rferl.org/a/racism-europe/28497700.html
yet, most of the scumbags are Western Ukrainians, but they've been very happy killing Eastern Ukrainian Russian speakers for years
And that gives excuse for this madness today?! Or similar hate-based insanity from the Poles, Estonians, Lithuanians (see Kaliningrad blockade) etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninetoes
the hatreds for Modern Russia for crimes the Soviet's did, or Czars or ANCIENT Russia did, to the point folk WANT war today, is fucking INSANITY! :(
And ignores the fact that everyone over there, like the Poles (1918-20 war was NOT one sided in guilt or atrocities), or the old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, or the Swedish etc started or did or involved in much of those ancient conflicts/atrocities
I never supported or wanted the IRA's bombings in England just because of my beef with Maggie Thatcher etc and sure as hell did not want WAR with England
The Irish had every right, after CENTURIES of abuse to be free, and they large won that, but the Republican extremists were mad evil bastards, who also totally screwed the work the sane moderates of the SDLP Republicans were doing
You lot are in fucking insane denial and its helping to wipe out much of the male population of Ukraine to feed the USA's military industrial complex, bankers, and degenerate nutbars in D.C.
Some of the Ukrainian units have taken 90% casualties in the dumbass offensives from their OWN reports, yer ex-military, go check the Russian artillery, armoured vehicle air advantage etc, be honest...what would happen when someone who does not have those advantages attacks over flat open terrain? It's pure slaughter
As always the vile evil West, which is even worse then the bloody Russians and they are no fucking angels at all, is throwing millions of people into meat grinders and robbing them and their OWN people blind at the same time
Holodomor? Yes it happened, but FFS, the West has way way outdone the Communist tyrants in megadeaths, it's just not as obvious and far better covered up.
Who the fuck funded the Nazi, hm? AND Stalin!
Who backed Pol Pot (hint: Maggie thatcher) and who CAUSED that horrific debacle?
Laos bombing, funded by heroin the CIA funnelled and thus what has the War on Drugs done to our societies?
Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria and literal over a hundred more wars since 1945
Shit tons of assassinations including democratic and even ALLIED politicians and leaders and we know that's not "conspiracy theory" because the records/whistle blowers came out
Corporations allowed to kill millions, tobacco killed 100 million by the year 2000, government let them away with it, knowing the monsters had deliberately made their drug more addictive and deadly but hey it helped cure the pension problem so that and the kickbacks ensured tobacco execs never faced jail!
etc etc
Yes the Soviets were MTFer bastards (well definitely until Stalin died and some of the Warsaw pact countries suffering under horrors like the Ceausescu's), but that's no excuse to commit or ignore insane crimes of our own
But hey, you want to see Russia defeated so bad...enjoy the result, you'd think the sanction blowback would make folk think but obviously NOT
I give in, yer not worth it :(
You do know that Russian outlets have been BANNED and blocked in the UK and Europe, even through most VPNs, hm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
that journalists and others who report on the conflict who don't spout the West's fucking lies are being sanctioned and in Europe, arrested?
And yes that's fact, and it's against basic British law to punish someone without trial, but they've done it because the concept of "rights" and "Western democracy" are illusions
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-62308528
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2038859.html
Nothing you posted proves any of the bollocks Russia used to justify their invasion, nor does it refute the thread I posted regarding the absolute victim blaming bullshit that is the Ukrainians = Nazis lie. You are an apologist for war crimes and should be ashamed, were you actually capable it.
Slava Ukraini you orc lover.
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Originally Posted by Silverblade-T-E
Are you seriously an apologist for Russia? You fucking cock.
Did you see his "Whataboutism" response to the Holodomor?Quote:
Originally Posted by DmitrytheWizzy
The Nazi stuff is IMO a big Russian lie that Putin is using to hide the truth. Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Union by force, his forces are on a mission of extermination as well as proven by deliberate targeting of clearly civilian infrastructure.
This puts the lie to the whole Ukrainian = Nazi thing:Quote:
Originally Posted by FilanFyretracker
https://twitter.com/rynkrynk/status/...gk-RaF83y6UPBY