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Ukrainian Spring Offensive has begun:
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...45911165222912
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The Institute for Study of War confirms that the Ukrainian Army has crossed the Dnipro river and has established positions of the left bank near Oleshky.
Russia self owns by bombing their own city
The jokes just kind of write themselves.Quote:
MOSCOW (AP) — Russia’s military acknowledged that a bomb accidentally dropped by one of its warplanes caused a powerful blast in a Russian city not far from Ukraine’s border, injuring two and scaring local residents.
Belgorod, a city of 340,000 located about 40 kilometers (25 miles) east of the Russia-Ukraine border, has faced regular drone attacks during Russia’s current military operation in Ukraine. Russian authorities blamed the earlier strikes on the Ukrainian military, which refrained from directly claiming responsibility for the attacks.
The explosion late Thursday was far more powerful than anything Belgorod residents had experienced before. Witnesses reported a low hissing sound followed by a blast that made nearby apartment buildings tremble and shattered their windows.
The video of it is pretty nifty:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...ussia_dropped/
That white light on the building in the back of the shot is a car's headlights as it flips in the air from the force of the blast - you can see it if you look really closely.
not a very good bomb either, look how long it took to supply the kaboom.
I am sure Putin approved news will either blame Ukraine or call it a gas leak. Rather than admit they are so bad at finding targets they bombed their own city 40mi from the border.
The theory is that it's a bunker-buster type bomb, and that the delay is it burrowing into the ground before detonating. You can see at the 20 second mark that there's almost zero above-ground detonation, it's all deformed ground that gives way to an explosion when the ground finally splits. Putin-approved news called it a mechanical failure, which honestly it could have been.
Well given their actions in Bucha and other locations, they weren't doing it before really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackar
They were taking prisoners, they just weren't keeping them alive. Cue the Seinfeld "reservations" clip.
FairQuote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
Glorious Ukrainian counter offensive!
Cross a 3km wide river, no bridges, so no heavy vehicle beyond amphibious APCs and what some boats can supply
almost fuck all supplies
3km wide river...open for observation and artillery fire. you know that opening scene in "Saving Private Ryan"?
where do they land?
in a swamp, AGAIN, like last time
those same bogs drowned Germans 80 years ago and they still sometimes find tanks that got sucked down back then
Russia didn't go on their planned offensive partially cause the ground is still do wet from an unprecedent warm Winter
so the bogs, are even more boggy
What happens to those bogs when heavy artillery or aerial bombs go off?
separation of soil and water, break up of structures...you know: liquification of the ground, like earthquakes cause
except in this case it isn't temporary, it liberates vast amounts of water in the incredibly deep Ukrainian alluvial soils
turns it into mud soup, nothing can move and most things sink
Russians are, as usual, sitting back, eating soup not drowning in it, and tossing artillery like a gigantic "whack a mole" party
Ugh :(
America really is fighting to the last Ukraine, then they're sending the Poles in
again: even the "leaks" said the Russian to Ukrainian losses were 7:1 in favour of the "New Red Army"
and I used "New Red Army" for several reasons, but why bother explaining them when I just get shit from you lot?
this is going to end so badly :(
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And now drone attacks on the Kremlin itself
What oh what, would the USA do, if the Whitehouse got bombed by Mexican cartel bandits but who were controlled, instructed and armed by Russia, hm? or rather vs a non-nuclear armed little country the US could bomb the utter fuck out of?
OMG...the lunatics are pushing us into World War Three to hide their financial catastrophe
"Just ignore the little man behind the curtains!
See the big mushroom clouds instead!"
and if you do not as yet realize that America (and London) controls Zelensky's regime and actions, you are either gutless or stupid
and since US controls such attacks...and the Russians know this and have claled the US out on this
Putin is a fucking MODERATE, much of the rest of the Russian politicians wants to turn Kiev into a crater and possibly NATO with it
You do realize that Lloyd's of London has stopped insuring against government backed cyber attacks, hm?
Not sure on their policy versus nuclear war but I'd bet it's "FU!"
Sigh
And of course Western media again "It's Russians false flag on themselves!"
yup just like Kerch Bridge, Nord Stream....
so if Putin's dick falls off, it's a false flag?
and Ukraine's post office so conveniently had a new stamp ready to go, ginormous poster version for display, of a drone stinking the Kremlin...exactly when Zelensky went to Finland and is now on a "magical mystery tour"
oh what a coincidence!
yeah "Kremlin attack Russian freedom fighters!" my arse, it was Ukrainian or worse, CIA/SBS did it
the USA, or rather, the CIA/Deep State vermin who control it, are the "false flag fanatics"
luv how finally, more evidence coming out shows JFK and 9/11 were indeed linked ot the CIA, not that that should be a surprise to any rational adult
meanwhile Russia is doing this, West plays insane games, Russia just keeps grinding the shyte out of the poor bastard rounded up at gun point and forced to die in trenches for coke snorting freaks and Wall Street :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdqdMh8NCXA
Ya lost me at "Putin is a moderate" dude. WTF?
He wants to annex every sovereign nation that used to be a part of the U.S.S.R. by force... How the Hell is that moderate?
I think he is suggesting Putin is moderate compared to the alternatives. I don't really think "he's not as stupid as everyone else" is much of an endorsement, however. I'm also not sure it's true, though I suppose it's a lot easier to seem moderate if you jail or kill all the real moderates. Wakka wakka.
Do you think the US would nuke Russia in this scenario? Because that's what all this has seemingly always boiled down to, fear of Russian nuclear aggression. I think it's very telling that it's the Russian nukes everyone is always so concerned about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverblade-T-E
all fault no matter who did the drones falls 100% on Putin. He threw the first punch so anything falls back to him, Hes a power mad dictator who has been itching to rebuild the old USSR. Just look at how deep hes gone with censorship after starting this stuff.
Oh...so much crazy to unpack in that Fascist Apologist Silverblade's ramblings -
1) President Zelensky has had to deal with multiple assassination attempts since Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. Putin possibly is attack and Silverblade loses his shit. Rather telling, that.
2) That is, of course, assuming that Ukraine was involved in the attempt and not another Russian false flag. Something they've done since 1968 - hell the 2014 invasion was infamous for the Little Green Men, Russian troops with insignia removed. I mean, according to Silver, everything is a US false flag, but he takes Moscow's word for it. Again, rather telling.
3) Finally, and what puts his bigotry and prejudice on full display - his analogy. That he compares the legitimate, sovereign Ukrainian government to a criminal organization tells you point blank who's water he is carrying.
In conclusion - Slava Ukraini, Heroiam Slava!
Russian orc tears down Ukrainian flag, catches a mollywhopping.
FAAFO, orc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRalwGp3Au0&ab_channel=TheTelegraph
Didn't Putin use a false flag bombing of an apartment building to even win the power he has now?
He did. You'd think the guy that claims to be the conspiracy theorist would be up on stuff like that.
Silverblade: Russia is going to stomp the Ukrainians and the West with their superior manufacturing capabilities!
Russia: Wagner Group pulling out of Bakhmut due to lack of ammunition, entire Russian war effort is one sad trombone noise.
Spin this.
He already does in nearly every post. It goes like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
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Something something America, it was really the CIA. (Insert Pro-Russian stance). More something something you're all doomed/the end is nigh. If only you had listened to me, but you are all morons because ONLY I see the TRUTH. Doesn't matter if it's a primary source or someone spent their life's work on it because I read a headline or watched a youtube video and ONLY I KNOW THE TRUTH. Something something Weihmar Germany. Something something (/insert cookie cutter right-wing regurgitations and/or dog-whistles likely posted unknowingly). There is still time, prepare! (/insert don't tell me I didn't warn you!)
(/insert photo from a videogame showing bombs or an apocalyptic wasteland).
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Originally Posted by Ninetoes
Reminds me of this:
https://youtu.be/nknYtlOvaQ0
Don't forget quoting statistics that either are unrelated or a fabrication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
91% of people who disagree with me are wrong! WHO'D A THUNK IT?!?
<insert meme>Quote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65493008
Mercenary group Wagner is pulling out of Bakhmut, They cannot even keep themselves supplied with ammo.
KurskQuote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
I guess since Putin could not have it, He ordered it burned.
Russia accused of using phosphorus bombs in Bakhmut
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65506993
Accused, but we all know Russia did it.
Yes, Ukraine struck the Russian invaders in their own country - it was a military target. Do you not know the rules of war? I mean, being a Putin puppet you might be unfamiliar. I can draw you a picture if you need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverblade-T-E
Once again: hypocrisy lies and stupidity of the WestQuote:
Originally Posted by FilanFyretracker
that's THERMITE, not White phosphorous as has been repeatedly explained
USA loves using WP as does their ally, Israel
Incendiaries are legal weapons of war...except against civilians
War is not a game of "shove ha'pnney"
That Thermite weapon (thermite in hexagonal blocks of magnesium about 2x4 inches) is used to burn out troops hiding in forests, buildings, and mines, unexploded ordinance, and, as a massive flare to light up a huge area
oh and..Dresden.,.Tokyo
Coming from a Jew who for some reason, supports Nazis...you have a hell of a cheekQuote:
Originally Posted by Ninetoes
but that seems par for the course in this insane world today, sigh
Gotta luv Mark Hamill, clueless, supporting the Ukrainian lunatics and not even realizing the symbol on the bloody flag in the background
gonna claim it's merely a "pagan symbol", Ninetoes, hm?
https://twitter.com/MarkHamill/statu...75792628404224
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For pity's sake man, ditch your zealotry and wake up , please :(
300,000 Ukrainian men dead on the battlefield for AMERICA'S Elite and actual fucking Nazis, isn't enough for you?
Does it have to take a nuclear war for you to wake up and see who you actually support and have denied the truth of?
Western media caught lying again about Ukraine, again, well it's par for the course
"Ukrainian's shoot down Kinzhal missile with Patriot missile!"
Raaaah ! raaaah!
um, no, Ukrainian air defence said that no they did not shoot down a Kinzahl
but alas this has not stopped the huge hoopla, because all the West is, a a lying sack of shit screwing everyone for money
So they have to push the idea the Patriot is worth it's ludicrous price for its abysmal capabilities
I expect that Ukrainian officer to be "dealt with" as have others who've shown things aren't so rosy
https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukraini...-50322488.html
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Reports that a Russian Kinzhal hypersonic air-launched ballistic missile strike was downed over Kyiv during the night of May 4 are false, the spokesperson for the Air Force Command, Yuriy Ihnat, said on May 5.
“There was a possibility of the use of ballistic missiles, but none were detected,” Ihnat said in a comment to Ukrainian boradcaster Suspilne on May 5.
He also noted that some military officials have already received reprimands for spreading false information.
also, the "alleged" hypersonic missile photo they all showed...
does anyone see the glaring problem here for a hypersonic missile or ANY high speed missile impact, hm?
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the odds of a Patriot taking out a Kinzhal are extremely remote, that missile has more risk of exploding in mid air from the pressure of even a small course correction than interception
meanwhile, the cheap, simple addon kit WAY cheaper and better than the JDAM, is letting the Russians use old Soviet era aerial bombs to blow crap out of the poor bloody Ukrainians massing for their suicidal fucking "greatest ever counter offensive in Human History" :(
it's like the Lemmings of World War One all over again
saying the quiet part out loud, aren't you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverblade-T-E
Oh this is awkward...
Russian Naval Vessel seen in the area of Nordstream days before the blast
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A Russian navy vessel specialising in submarine operations was photographed near the sabotaged Nord Stream gas pipelines just prior to the mysterious September blasts, according to the Danish daily newspaper Information.
The prosecutor leading Sweden’s investigation into the sabotage confirmed the existence of the hitherto publicly unknown photographs.
“I’m aware of the information from before … This is not new information to us,” Mats Ljungqvist said on Friday.
Aerial photo released by the Danish defence ministry in September shows the Nord Stream gas pipeline leak site.
State actor still main suspect behind Nord Stream sabotage, says investigator
Read more
The newspaper said the submarine rescue ship SS-750 was photographed in the Baltic Sea four days before the still-unexplained explosions on the pipelines linking Russia to Germany. The ship carries a mini-submarine.
No, that's expected unless you're snout-deep in the Russian propaganda trough. If you want awkward, how about a Victory Day parade, where historically you've had dozens of modern planes and tanks show up as a show of military might, where this year you have no planes and one WW2-era tank?
Putin mocked after single tank turns up for Russian Victory Day parade.
He had to borrow the humvees in the parade from his puppet in Chechnya, lol. Manufacturing might on display, right, Silverblade? THiS WiLL eND BaDlY!
EDIT: in case someone wants to see the contrast between years: Picture. (Picture is too large to embed.)
I didn't want to be mean ;)
I love how he spun the Russian's having to use old weapons as some sort of positive.
Surprised there was not armatas or whatever that super new tank is called. I thought Russia kept them out of the war so they wouldn’t get punked by a Javelin.
"But hey, maybe that was completely innocent! After all, the Russian navy needs to keep their sub rescue ships in top shape in case they send any other Slava-class cruisers to the Black Sea, right?" Like that kind of mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baelan
From Wikipedia's article on the T-14 Armata:Quote:
Originally Posted by Filan
I'm not sure there's a working Armata to put in the parade. Which would match the rest of the Russian tank corps right now. (People watching the parade noted two other T-34's parked nearby that stayed parked the entire time. My guess is they got eaten for parts for the one in the parade, and the shells were parked on the street just for the parade.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Article excerpt
What the actual fuck dude? You're calling Ukrainians Nazi's?! Dafuq?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverblade-T-E
Volodymyr Zelenskyy is Jewish...
Am I totally misunderstanding what you're saying here, or is this what you're saying?
Trying to wrap my head around this but this is totally off the cliff shit here.
It's the head canon of everyone tripping over themselves to justify this war. Something like 2% of Ukraine is ultra-right wing, but that's apparently enough to justify invading the country in order to "save" the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerkahia
I clicked on that Mark Hamill flag thing thinking someone might actually try to explain what it is, but it was all just a bunch of pro Russian simping telling him to educate himself about why this "special military action was necessary". Russia's propaganda bot army might be the most dangerous weapon in its arsenal, as it actually seems to work.
It's exactly what he's saying - and not the first time in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerkahia
It's the standard line of attack for the anti-Ukraine crowd -- Putin's original justification for the invasion was to describe it as an act of "de-Nazification" -- playing up the fact that a small number of Ukrainians are on the far right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerkahia
Of course, every country has fringe groups. Some might argue that one of them consists of paranoid, conspiracy mongering, knee-jerk anti-Establishmentarians who are easily co-opted by totalitarian propagandists.
Some might, indeed...Quote:
Originally Posted by PPatty
looks like Bakhmut is going about how we figured
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Ukrainian forces says they are conducting “effective counterattacks” in the Bakhmut area, in comments that are in line with claims from the leader of the Russian mercenary group Wagner that Kyiv has recaptured some territory.
Yevgeny Prigozhin on Wednesday accused a Russian brigade of abandoning its position in front-line Bakhmut, allowing Ukraine to seize territory. He has repeatedly accused the defense ministry of failing to give his forces the supplies they need.
Russian troops fleeing in terror, Russia unable to supply their mercs - just another day :)Quote:
“Despite a significant concentration of troops and loud statements by Russian war criminals about their intentions to take Bakhmut by May 9, the enemy failed to capture the Ukrainian city. Our defense forces are holding the frontline securely and preventing the enemy from advancing. The battle for Bakhmut continues.”
Some might remember history like, oh the Polish Soviet War and the Russian Civil War where the UK, France, Canada and America jumped in for their imperial grabs (though to its credit less of that form America)
just a century ago, and it's repeating wow, who'd a thunk it?
note that war cemented the Communists in power in Russia and worse, brought Stalin and Trotsky into power
Putin goes (by age illness or assassination etc) then the REAL hardliners get into power and WHOOPS apocalypse! :(
"Guys, Putin is the MODERATE CENTRIST, give him everything he wants or everyone will die!" That has to be one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen on Graffe's.
If I saw that in person I'd be wondering about the history of that particular tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
Without context, I would immediately think that the only reason you'd have a parade with nothing but a single tank in it is because that tank, in and of itself, is specifically famous for something.
Yikes.
Googling doesnt shed any light on the T34/85 in the parade about whether its a specific one each time or has any notable history. It seems unlikely its specifically notable though, given that apparently Russia is short enough of them that they supposedly bought about 30 of them from Laos and Vietnam to increase their stock for parades and museums etc, and outside experts arent even sure exactly where the parade tank was originally built.
I thought I read that it was originally built in Czechoslovakia. Doesn't really matter - they were brought back specifically for the parade. Each year the T-34's lead off, as a tribute to the ones from WWII. Well, in this case, T-34, singular.
Yesterday Ukraine claimed to have downed all Kinzhal missiles involved in an attack on Kyiv:
Obviously, one must decide if the Ukrainian military can be believed in saying all the missiles were intercepted without an independent source corroborating. But if it's true, it's a demonstration that current Western technology can completely neutralize a coordinated, multi-source Russian nuclear strike. Something for the Russians to keep in mind every time they stamp their feet and demand respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Article excerpt
Given how utterly other Russian technology has failed in Ukraine, I wouldn't be surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
This isn't a failure on the part of Russian tech so much as it is a success on the part of whatever Western anti-air equipment the Ukrainians are using. I can't wait for the war to be over, when Ukraine will join NATO and all the troops there that fought against the Russians start training the next generation of NATO soldiers. Learning from the people who actually fought the traditional enemy, using modern gear? That will be invaluable.
Why I loved training with the Finns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
QOTD:
“Congratulations, Yevgeny, you’ve put the Wagner flag in the center of the city. And…you’re surrounded.”
-Ret. Gen. Mark Hertling, Fmr. Commanding General of United States Army Europe and the Seventh Army
Talk about fucking denial and "copium"...!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninetoes
Ukraine and NATO jut suffered a "Stalingrad" and you think the Russians are "surrounded"...?
oh FFS!
You are either dumb as as stump, an insane zealot, or have truly magnificent trolled me :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBWmkwaTQ0k
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Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
And as video PROVED the Patriot system:
a) as usual fucked up with some of the missiles "boomeranging" back onto the surroundings
b) got wiped the fuck out. even the US had to admit the system was "damaged", actually as video and satellite image shows, it was blown to HELL, and a second one damaged
Do you even understand the Kinzhal is a modification of the Iskander and both have 9 decoy/jammers in their arse they deploy when they come down?
or that the Russians timed that attack so the drones and cruise missiles soaked up, jammed (and communicated the radar data back to their own base), opening it up for the Kinzhals?
oh and those poor sods who shared the video got arrested by the Nazi fucks who run Ukraine at NATO's behest,
but hey you all not only don't care the West supports actual fucking NAZIS,
but now you and others are actually spouting drivelling, insane, psychopathic, suicidal PISS that hey, Russian tech sucks so why fear their nukes, eh?!
You are fucking MAD!
We're all going to die you FUCKWIT!
that same lunacy of "Russia tech sucks why fear their nukes!" has been PUBLISHED by Western "experts" in major newspapers,
experts who are only accredited in the BS of Western "political theory" not actual military technology
Even the madness of World War One doesn't stink like this, woo hoo, Dr Strangelove for EVERYONE!! :wtf: :jawdrop:
oh yeah what happened the last time the Yanks etc thought there opponents were a bunch of little "Slant eyed gooks with bottle cap glasses and 2 inch dicks, who couldn't fight worth a fuck" ?
oh yeah, PEARL HARBOUR!
but now it's with nukes...oh that can't possibly go wrong, nope!
You lot are stone fucking mad
I'm not sure Pearl Harbor is the flex you think it is.
Also, haven't you gotten trouble for the racist stuff before? Why don't you save the mods some trouble? All you have to say is "the last time the Yanks underestimated an opponent."
Still a bad analogy though.
Just a reminder to folks that moderation of rule #4, the "don't be a racist jackass" rule, is strictly reactive. Mods can't touch it until it's reported. I would hope Silverblade would edit his post before that happens, but between frequency of visits and the time difference between NA and Scotland I could understand if that doesn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wool
What video? Half-hearted Googling didn't turn anything up, and you didn't link anything as part of your "REEEEEEEEEEEE". Can you see the difference between someone saying, "Here's my source, if it's true (and there are caveats) then X" and "I KNOW THE TRUTH IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF EVERYTHING YOU CLAIM YOU'RE ALL LUNATICS"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverblade
(For people interested: the U.S. military claimed that one Patriot battery was damaged, with two of the six systems that make it up being disabled, but that it was still capable of operating with the damage and could be repaired in the field. That's all my Googling turned up, although like I said my heart wasn't really in it once I realized I'd likely have to jump down one hell of a rabbit hole to find any of what Silverblade mentioned.)
Is a conspiracy theorist accepting the claims of a government organization at face value, one that routinely exaggerates its capabilities?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverblade
Damaged yes but the system is in fact designed to take some damage. Part of why a patriot installation is a bit spread out.
Major dam 'blown up' in Russian-controlled Kherson region in Southern Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tklSQLZx8aI
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The southern command of Ukraine's Armed Forces said on Tuesday that the Kakhovka dam in the Russian-controlled parts of Ukraine's Kherson region was blown up by Russian forces.
"The scale of the destruction, the speed and volumes of water, and the likely areas of inundation are being clarified," the command said on its Facebook page.
Russia's TASS agency confirmed that the dam collapsed and the nearby territories were flooding.
Unverified videos shared on the messaging app Telegram appear to show an explosion of the dam and water pouring from it.
What is the Kakhovka dam, and what impact does blowing it up have?
The dam, 30 metres tall and 3.2 km long, was built in 1956 on the Dnipro river as part of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant.
The reservoir also supplies water to the Crimean peninsula, annexed by Russia in 2014, and to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which is also under Russian control.
The volume of water in the reservoir is about equal to the Great Salt Lake in the U.S. state of Utah.
Blowing the Soviet-era dam, which is controlled by Russia, would unleash a wall of floodwater across much of the Kherson region.
Silver incoming with UKRAINE DID IT THEMSELVES in 5...4...3...2...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackar
What was bombing apartment buildings no working fast enough for Russia to kill off civilians. ?
I think this is the dam that Ukraine said they suspected was wired up with charges months ago. Russia has likely been planning this for awhile. Also there is a nuke plant on that lake so let’s hope this does not impact its intake capacity for cooling water
You forgot "the CIA."Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonlainy
My vote right now is neglect/accident. Witnesses in the area report the Russians wiped out their own troops on the eastern bank. Unless there were active Ukrainian units in the region, or they expected an imminent attack, I can't see them wanting secrecy so bad that they'd kill their own. They usually save that for things like the open fighting between Wagner and Russian forces.
Who am I kidding, they're so bad at this I can see them forgetting they had troops there.
Drone footage from Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laWSfzJg7JM
That Russian Army Chief Prigozhin interview is ... enlightening.
Trying to find a link but having trouble. CNN is running it pretty regularly. He's talking about huge losses and generals facing firing squads soon lol.
Not sure if this will work.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...e-ebof-vpx.cnn
Stay away from windows, Comrade General!
Chernobyl Workers Reveal Occupying Russian Soldiers Showed Signs Of Radiation Poisoning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiEQoWAv6vE
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Employees of the Chernobyl nuclear plant say Russian soldiers showed signs of radiation poisoning during their occupation. They say some developed huge blisters and were vomiting after ignoring warnings about digging trenches in radioactive soil.
what about the double whammy. The CIA gave Ukraine some DARPA developed cloaking dam buster missiles that just happen to fit into the HIMARS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
Or the old classic from the land of Qanon, The Jewish Space Lasers.
So for added fun, the Russian soldiers are apparently looting flooded homes now and the Red Cross and UN had a pretty good idea where the land mines were. Welp now there is a worry they might be floating in the flood and could go off if they hit or are hit by debris.
Russia's 'Smoking Gun' on Ukraine Dam Collapse
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ARussian law passed days before the destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam in southern Ukraine could be a "smoking gun" in proving Russia's involvement in the incident, according to an expert.
On May 30, a week before the dam's collapse, the Russian government approved a law aimed at "ensuring the safety of hydraulic structures" in the Ukrainian regions it proclaimed to have annexed in September 2022—the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, in Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia.
The legislation states that until January 1, 2028, investigations into accidents at hydro-technical structures that occurred as a result of military operations, sabotage and terrorist activities are prohibited. The decree was signed by Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and came into effect on the day it was published.
The Soviet-era dam is part of the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Station in southern Ukraine on the Dnieper River. It was breached in the early hours of June 6, unleashing water on swaths of land as a long-anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensive to take back the seized territories kicked off.
Russia maintains that it wasn't behind its collapse and has accused Ukraine of blowing up the dam to distract attention from a "faltering" counteroffensive. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russian forces of blowing up the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Station from inside the facility as part of a "terrorist attack."
Mounting evidence increasingly points to Russian involvement in the attack, Newsweek has been told.
Samantha de Bendern, associate fellow at the Chatham House think tank's Russia and Eurasia program, shared the Russian legislation on Twitter, writing: "Smoking gun for the #KakhovkaDam?"
The dam's collapse has caused widespread devastation in Ukraine's partially occupied Kherson region. Zelensky has described the situation as "an environmental bomb of mass destruction" that has left hundreds of thousands of people without normal access to drinking water.
Thousands have been ordered to evacuate from the partially occupied Kherson region amid rising water levels. Ukrainian animal welfare charity UAnimals coordinating rescue missions in the region told Newsweek it estimates that tens of thousands of animals will die due to flooding.
Oleg Ustenko, an economic adviser to Zelensky, told Newsweek the overall price tag of the dam's destruction is "billions of dollars," while Ivan Fedorov, the mayor of the city of Melitopol in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia region, told Newsweek the incident marked a "new stage of the war."
Kremlin Playbook
Keir Giles, senior consulting fellow at the Chatham House think tank's Russia and Eurasia program, said the May 30 legislation follows the Kremlin's playbook, which seeks "to pretend that it operates according to some semblance of legality."
"Russia has a perverse fascination with performative legalization of its most horrific crimes...it repeatedly puts in place in advance laws that give preemptive excuses for its actions," Giles told Newsweek.
"Sometimes this can give an indication of what is to come," said Giles, pointing to legislation on mass burials that was updated by Russia ahead of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine and came into effect on February 1, 2022—weeks before the war began.
"So in the case of the destruction of the Kakhovka dam, the passing a week beforehand of this bizarrely specific law covering precisely those circumstances is indeed a clear indication of Russian intent," Giles added.
Newsweek reached out to the Russian Foreign Ministry via email for comment.
Anders Åslund, an economist and adjunct professor at Georgetown University, Washington, DC, said the May 30 decree "only concludes what we already knew."
"Russian propagandists advocated blowing up the dam. Ukrainian officials announced last fall that the Russians had mined both the dam and the connected tunnels in October-November 2022," Åslund, who has served as an economic adviser to the governments of both Russia and Ukraine, told Newsweek.
"Several explosions were recorded, which show that they were underwater, while the Russians claimed that the Ukrainians had bombed it from the air, which seems close to impossible for technical reasons. The explosions occurred on the Russian side.
"The Russians followed up blowing up several smaller dams—recorded by the Ukrainians. And now you have this law," he said, adding: "The evidence seems overwhelming that it was the Russians who did it."
So this is like Senator Palpatine going "I will make it legal"
Ok, I totally take it back, it was 100% the Russians. I wonder if the families of the Russian troops that got wiped out by the flood will ever get justice.Quote:
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Slim to none, and slim just left the building.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
I saw something today that said this whole thing has worked out about as poorly for Russia as they could have possibly ever feared.
It's sending other countries running *towards* NATO instead of fracturing it, solidifying relationships between western nations instead of destabilizing them, and fostering cooperation and concern instead of bickering or even neutrality.
Russian imperial ambitions are a joke now, Russian's dependent on foreign currency (and will likely never get back to previous export levels), China's pissed, and I wouldn't be surprised if Belarus and Kazakhstan start making moves towards a NATO way of life after this.
Orcs try a VBIED - Ukraine isn't having it
Wonder if our resident vatnik will crawl out from under a rock to comment.
the fact Russia is using IEDs is kind of telling in and of itself.
The Wagner Group is in open revolt against Russia's Ministry of Defense after the MoD allegedly fired missiles into a rear-area Wagner camp:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mutiny...zhin-1.6887226
Is this actually a false flag attack by America designed to cause revolt amongst the righteous, well-supplied Russian forces? Won't someone tell us the truth?!?
There's military vehicles on the streets of Moscow, the governor in the area of Russia where Wagner is supposedly operating has told all residents to stay indoors, Wagner is claiming to have shot down a Russian chopper, the FSB is launching a criminal case against Prigozhin (Wagner's leader) for mutiny. I love it when false flag operations go all-in when trying to appear realistic!
Talk about living in the future, I just learned of the Russian civil war from a spongebob meme on reddit. This is going to be a very interesting weekend.
Things are moving so quickly, too. Talked to the Crazy Russian, who has enough stress in her life (a literal crackhead that bought a car at her dealership decided he likes her, so he keeps coming back with stolen flowers and goods with the dye tags still on them, and her co-workers refuse to kick the guy off the lot because they're buying the stolen goods when she refuses them), about what happened tonight. She called her mother in Moscow: "Everything is fine here! Believe nothing you hear! It's all good!" Her father, however, who maintained all along that he knew what was REALLY happening though his Soviet-era connections, and that CR's Western sources were are wrong, is in shock. He's calling it a civil war, and his family (which was on a short vacation away from Moscow) is trying to figure out how to stay away from the city. I told her at around 8:30 pm PST, when we first talked, that Prigozhin seemed to just want to get to Ministry of Defense figures (Shoigu and Gerasimov), so as long as her parents weren't near the MoD building they should be OK. When she asked him if he lived near the MoD building, his deadpan response was, "Close enough."
This is the e-mail I sent her tonight with updates, so when she wakes up she can get caught up on what has happened overnight. I'll put it in spoilers so it doesn't overwhelm the thread with its length. There's a lot of "THIS IS BIG" info in here.
Spoiler for Massive e-mail:
To explain the joke at the end: years and years ago, when she was working for a different small dealership, management decided to do a print ad showing all the employees jumping in the air with the caption "We JUMP to serve you!" She was wearing heels, and she was worried she'd break her ankle if she did as told. So the ad comes out and it's everybody else jumping high up, arms in the air, and her in the middle, standing on the ground with her arms straight up like she's being robbed. I've never seen a picture capture someone's essence as well as that one did.
Looks like Wagner has Rostov-on-Don, has Voronezh (about halfway to Moscow), and is continuing north. Russian Armed Forces are setting up a roadblock and defensive line at the bridge over the Oka River near Serpukhov, 50 km south of Moscow. Note that roadblock is on the M2, and Wagner is advancing up the M4. No reports on what the RAF is doing to stop the advance on the M4. Speculation is they're about to blow all the bridges across the Oka to stop the advance.
Grocery stores in Rostov-on-Don are being emptied out in a giant rush for food and supplies. Moscow is on terrorist activity lockdown, so I'm guessing it's impossible to rush the grocery stores there right now.
An-24 troop transport plane shot down by Wagner at Kantemirovka, near the Ukrainian border.
There's air raid sirens in Voronezh, and the oil depot there is completely consumed in flames after an attack by Russian helicopters. The RAF is already in desperation mode if they're blowing up oil depots on Russian soil just to deny Wagner access to fuel. It's showing in other areas - a family got shot by National Guard forces at Boguchar because the Guard forces thought the family's car was Wagner.
Kadyrov has declared that the Chechens are coming to aid Russia, and have already left home to join the conflict.
Putin has officially called on the Russian equivalent of NATO, with Belarus and Kazakhstan, for aid. Never mind the jokes about Russia being the second strongest army in Ukraine, now they're the second strongest army in Russia. Jesus.
The Wagner military convoy has been spotted a short way south of Yefremov. Yefremov is 315 km from Moscow, or just under 200 miles. Now it's apparent why Russian forces are acting so desperate - they're about to be overrun in short order. Lots of private jets reported to be leaving Moscow. Quote from Twitter: "Biden gave 5.6% of the defence budget to Ukraine, and what did he get for it? Other than the complete internal collapse of America’s greatest and longest running geopolitical enemy, I mean"
Gulagu, a Russian human rights organization, is reporting that Prigozhin lied about being short on ammunition and has been stockpiling for two months to prepare for today.
Lukashenko, the president of Belarus, has fled Belarus:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...us-russia-coup
So Russia isn't getting any help there, and that country could likely fall to a coup as well. The country that just got a shipment of tactical nukes from Russia.
And finally, dump trucks filled with sand are being placed at every entrance to Moscow. So the Russians clearly expect Wagner to arrive sooner rather than later.
Summary of earlier stuff:
There has been limited fighting, including several aircraft being shot down, but the majority of territory taken by Wagner has been voluntarily ceded by local authorities and regular Russian troops. Wagner tracked vehicles are not fighting through towns, but have remained on wheeled transports for quick transportation towards Moscow.
Moscow, Voronezh, and Rostov authorities have declared shelter in place orders, cancelled public events (including the citywide Youth Day celebrations planned for today), and declared a "Counter Terrorist Operation" to be in effect. Tracked and wheeled military vehicles have been spotted near the Russian state Duma (parliament) and the Kremlin, as well as transportation and other government facilities.
Russian war correspondents are reporting Dmitry Medvedev, former PM, President, and Putin's good buddy, and Medvedev's family have left Moscow.
ROFL, the President of Kazakhstan, Tokayev, just called the Wagner coup attempt "an internal affair of Russia". So that's 0/2 on getting help from Russian NATO.
Traffic on the Moscow River has been "temporarily suspended".
Trenches are being dug in the Moscow region, and barricades and other defensive structures are appearing in Moscow itself.
Air strike just hit the HQ of the Southern Military District in Rostov-on-Don. That's likely a Russian attempt to kill Prigozhin. There's been photos of him with facial bruises and cuts, likely from attempts on his life.
Prisoner riots/rebellions have started in Moscow prisons/pre-trial detention centers.
The Russian Presidential air fleet (so Putin) has left Moscow. It is suspected the destination is Valday, where there's a war command complex.
You love to see it - 2 war criminals beating the shit out of each other.
By the by, I ha e come from the future and I have seen Silverblade's post:
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A few analysts are saying the war in Ukraine is all but over now. In my opinion it’s not a certain thing but it’s also looking very good for Ukraine. The Russians at the frontlines are being left high and dry right now. Their organization and defense are going to fall apart over the next couple of days. Their military is extremely top heavy and their whole focus is on the 25 to 50k mercs pushing their way towards Moscow. Ukraine, absolutely, has got to take advantage of this. Force terms of surrender / withdrawal or overrun their positions.
Huh, weird. If Putin was in on it, he wouldn't have fled Moscow. Not sure what Pringles got out of it, but I don't think this is over yet. At the very least it shows how incredibly weak Putin in now to everyone.
I’m surprised at how anti climatic this ended. But regardless it’s not a good look for Russia or Putin. He looked very weak. It took him hours to make a statement and his, eventual, statement was pretty weak. Putin and all his Oligarch buddies fleeing Moscow and disappearing and letting one of his henchmen broker the deal with Wagner? Not the sign of a strong leader.
I’ve read that Ukraine managed to make some progress as a result of Russia’s near implosion. And Russia has never been this weak so hopefully they can really capitalize on this.
There's no way this is over. Prigozhen is a walking dead man right now unless he can get to Putin first. Putin just needed time to stop the march, but he will not let this go. I can't believe Prigozhen is buying this. Somebody is being stupid and someone else is waiting for the other to let his guard down or become distracted. Or they both are doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silke
My heart goes out to all the lunatics suffering from whiplash after they went from claiming this was some kind of US backed coup to saying this was all part of Putin's plan all along.
Wait a second, that's not my heart. It's... *checks* a fart. Honestly it's more than they deserve.
I wonder if Prigozhin gets to take over from Lukashenko as Putin's local puppet, because I can't picture the guy wise enough to plan something like this being stupid enough to think a life of peaceful exile will be a long one.
It was also very general. It mentions Wagner once, and in such a way that it's not clear Putin is pointing a finger at them being the cause of the problems. There's been some idle speculation that the statement was a generic one pre-produced in the event of a coup during the war, and that Putin was too busy running to the command bunker to put out a real statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silke
For me, the real moment of weakness wasn't even when the Russians were blowing up their own supplies to prevent Prigozhin from using them. It was when Prigozhin revealed on video that the Russians have been lying about their casualty numbers, by factors of three to four vs. reported and ten times what is said on TV. That's going to undermine the entire war effort, and it's laid at Putin's feet. The guy who calls the dictator a liar in public doesn't fear the dictator, and without fear, the dictator is nothing.
Crazy Russian's dad's vacation was in Georgia, as it turns out. He's extending it because he gets the sense that now is not the time to go back home.
I never knew a pizza place had a military value, not that this is anything new in the book of Russian war tactics.
https://6abc.com/news-ukraine-russia...rike/13437141/
Last year NHK-WORLD broadcast a travelogue from a 2019 visit to Kyiv. The visit to Veterans Pizza starts at 37:51... (Youtube link)Quote:
Originally Posted by FilanFyretracker
Near the end of the video they have a "Where are they now" segment for several of the residents interviewed.
Moscow says 700,000 children from Ukraine conflict zones now in Russia
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(Reuters) - Russia has brought some 700,000 children from the conflict zones in Ukraine into Russian territory, Grigory Karasin, head of the international committee in the Federation Council, Russia's upper house of parliament, said late on Sunday.
"In recent years, 700,000 children have found refuge with us, fleeing the bombing and shelling from the conflict areas in Ukraine," Karasin wrote on his Telegram messaging channel.
Russia launched a full-scale invasion on its western neighbour Ukraine in February 2022. Moscow says its progranme of bring children from Ukraine into Russian territory is to protect orphans and children abandoned in the conflict zone.
However, Ukraine says many children have been illegally deported and the United States says thousands of children have been forcibly removed from their homes.
Most of the movement of people and children occurred in the first few months of the war and before Ukraine started its major counter offensive to regain occupied territories in the east and south in late August.
In July 2022, the United States estimated that Russia "forcibly deported" 260,000 children, while Ukraine's Ministry of Integration of Occupied Territories, says 19,492 Ukrainian children are currently considered illegally deported.
Kidnapped-the word you are looking for is kidnapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackar
He's going the Trump route putting refugee kids into protective C̶a̶g̶e̶s̶ ~summer camps~ ...
The cages were about dehumanizing them before sending them back home. Russia very much wants to absorb these kids and make them forget they were ever anything other than Russian.
Medvedev, in comments reported today, made an observation that was intended to signal a hard line position, but which actually makes the foolishness of the war apparent. He talked about how, to counter the threat of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia would turn the war into a never-ending conflict. The theory is if the war ends, Ukraine can join NATO, but so long as they're part of an open conflict NATO membership is off the table. I don't think Russians will react favourably to the idea of a war that continues indefinitely, draining the economy endlessly and being a death threat to every boy born in the country.
Maybe the Russian people won't react favourably to an endless war, but if we look at how the populace have reacted each time Putin initiated a war (Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine 2014, Syria, Ukraine 2022) which he has done with regular intervals, then the support for him have increased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delores Mulva
Also in the current Russian regime, it doesn't really matter much what the people think, because the suppression is so strong that most just bow their heads and think about other things instead of trying to actively go up against the regime. If the current Russian regime gets overthrown, it won't be by ordinary people taking to the streets.
So Medvedevs comment should be taken very seriously. Russia can most likely keep fighting this war much longer than most democracies can keep the focus and will to support it, which is why it's even more important to not hold anything back to support Ukraine now, so it can be brought to conclusion within the next couple of years. In this respect I think the West can do much better than we have so far, and we still grapple with the issue of wanting things to go back to "normal", whatever that is.
Maybe the utter ghastly catastrophe that is "The Greatest Counter Offensive in History!" has gotten through to some of you, that maybe, just maybe, things are not as you have been led to believe, hm?
Probably not though, oh well!
We're talking World War One levels of slaughter and fucking lunatic incompetent leadership
After the much vaunted "Western armour" got fragged to fuck,
they began sending men in platoon and company, bare naked infantry (as in: shorn of armoured, air and serious artillery support), to attack Russian defensive lines
so they get annihilated, especially when they get hammered by TOS-1 systems, ugh :(
as usual when things got hot, the Russians pull back, and let the poor bastards come at them over yet more open ground...and any protective tree lines etc areas are all preregistered for artillery
oh, and they added a new trick
when the Ukrainians take over some trenches etc, the Russians let of the charges they'd left behind, blowing the entire trench line to hell
nearly 2 months later they finally reached the FIRST Russian defensive line in ONE area
40,000 dead...for that
the drone and sabotage attacks on civilian areas are spreading...do you think Russia will NOT get revenge on America and Britain for being behind that, hm?
What would we do in their shoes? we'd have went nuclear (literally) already
Now the insanity has spread to Africa and that evil horror, Nuland went over there trying to cause chaos just like she set off the Ukrainian madness...except they told her to go to hell
THIS IS WORLD WAR THREE, FOLKS
no one's going to admit it except in the history books, if there are any history books being printed one day
HUBRIS
And Putin could have sat back enjoying endless oil money instead of starting a pointless war. Maybe the world will get lucky and someone throws his ass out a window.
Can someone translate Crazy Bullshit to English? Can't understand a word the antisemite said.
It seems like he attempted to describe some of the atrocities resulting from Putin's illegal invasion of a sovereign nation, but somehow without blaming Putin? -With horrible inaccuracies of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninetoes
Or the ramblings of a Russian chat bot drifting pretty significantly.
Hard to tell.
So his standard nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerkahia