We could've had a whole bunch of really cool sneaker missions involving mercenaries and creeps and stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mountain Man
Or, er, something. c.c
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We could've had a whole bunch of really cool sneaker missions involving mercenaries and creeps and stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mountain Man
Or, er, something. c.c
How about as another faction in some future expo, one with Illiaden's naga, the Dranaei, the blood elves, and the few still-alive chaos orcs on Draenor? It would keep it even, four races on each side. Besides, aside from the Scourge, the Naga are a race which I loved the most, getting to play them rather then fight them was awesome.
(I know, my spelling of proper names could use some help)
On a side note, anyone else find those Naga Sirens Allureing? (seriously) I get all melty when they say "I'm waiting with baited breath" even if it is a pun.
Why would chaos orcs and Dranaei team up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoce
Because illidan probably became the new master of those he didnt killed , at least i supposed thats what he meant ...Quote:
Why would chaos orcs and Dranaei team up?
Imho this wouldnt happen , i expect more a orcish resistance against illidan a la "cult of the damned" , a small bunch of orcs doing guerilla while hoping for the return of their demon masters . And yeah them joining the illidan's crew wouldnt be liked by the dranaei
What I think woudl be really cool is if an option for Undead characters was to become more advanced Undead instead of hero classes; i.e., once you hit a high enough level you get a magic ritual changing your body into that of something more powerful; ghouls for melee, skeletal mages for casters, baby crypt fiends for ranged, etc. I would love it if players could be these "advanced" undead. Also, Neo, wherear you getting the information you post? I'm referring to the stuff about Proudmoore's second daughter, and some posts like it earlier in the thread.
i personally wanna be a lich , always wanted to in d&d or heroic fantasy games (that and vampires and werewolves)
Well all this are lore from the warcraft books , manuals , paper rpg and often put into lore sitesd such as http://www.lunarfalls.com/WarCraft/wc3cast-index.html
Draenor is a big place. I doubt that the Tauren would much like the Undead, or the undead like anyone, but they coexist, not outright trying to slaughter each other. I imagine that's what it would be like with the dranaei/chaos orcs.
Illidan still slaughtered the orc's master, and he had approval from the Twisting nether. Besides, do any of you think that the orcs would actually stand a chance against both the naga and blood elves? They may be fierce and brutal, but they're not stupid.
not at all , the tauren had really few interaction with the undead during war3 aside from of course battling with the orcs .The dranaei and the orcs relationship is on the same basis than the centaurs and the taurens , they exterminated literally the tauren.
Illidan never had the approval of kil' jaeden to kill Magtheridon , he ranaway from kil'jaeden after his big failure in his first attempt to destroy the frozen throne . He ran away on draenor and wiped every possible burning legion underdogs , hoping to hide there.
This isnt a matter of who is strong or not , who is stupid or not , its a matter of blind faith in a "god" !! the orcs from draenor , especially after illidan's 2nd failure right in front of the throne , versus arthas , would gladly assault illidan on behalf of kil' jaeden !!!Quote:
Besides, do any of you think that the orcs would actually stand a chance against both the naga and blood elves? They may be fierce and brutal, but they're not stupid.
In the same way the orcish cult of the damned on azeroth doesnt care about how powerful or outnumbered they are versus the alliance , the hordes , the scourge or any faction , they a zealous and believe themselves as the harbringer of the demons , so they'll continue till they are wiped entirely , wich isnt going to happen soon imho..
If such allaince we to happen it would mean that blizzard overuse that system of unlikely and twisted "alliances" , they already did in the warcraft and starcraft saga , so unless it become necessary lets not have it this way
What is the deal with the island of Kul Tiras? If Gilneas remained intact during the undead invasion then I am forced to assume the island is still up and running. That is what brings me to say why didn't Admiral Proudmoore(or Jaina) just go there rather than going across the sea?
Another question, will both Gilneas and Kul Tiras be in the game?
Even so, Illidan KILLED the orcish "god", Magtheridon. He proclaimed that he ruled what was left of the planet, and I doubt he would be contested.
I never said that the tauren had any interaction with the undead, but still, they are technically allied.
I know that Illidan never had the Mandate of the Twisting Nether to kill Magtheridon, but Kil'Jaeden sure didn't seem upset with what he had done, after getting past the whole running and hiding thing.
Well, Jaina was going to Kalimdor because the prophet told her to, and the trip across the Maelstrom is so dangerous, sailing BACK when you assumed that all of Lordaeron/Khaz Modan/Stormwind is taken by the Scourge isn't something you're in a hurry to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auca
Gilneas is in the game, behind a big sealed gate in the Silverpine Forest. That gate will be opening after the game goes retail.Quote:
Another question, will both Gilneas and Kul Tiras be in the game?
No word on Kul Tiras, but it's not in yet, but Proudmoore's storyline is an important thread (and threat) in Kalimdor, so I'm assuming they haven't forgotten about it. (i.e. probably opening in retail as well.)
of course that he could be constested nothing indicated the opposite at any moment . The orcs from draenor and the orcs of the cult of the damned are pretty much the same in spirits , they believe themselves as the sole harbringer of the demon . If the cult remaining on azeroth thought that they are the only one worthy to serves the demons , and opposed the scourge in lordaeron (when they still pretended to be loyal to archimonde) , its very likely that some small group on draenor will resist to illidan !! You seem to forget besides that those are corrupted and bloodlusted orcs .Quote:
Even so, Illidan KILLED the orcish "god", Magtheridon. He proclaimed that he ruled what was left of the planet, and I doubt he would be contested.
I know that Illidan never had the Mandate of the Twisting Nether to kill Magtheridon, but Kil'Jaeden sure didn't seem upset with what he had done, after getting past the whole running and hiding thing.
As for the murder of Magtheridon , Kil'jaeden didnt punsihed for one reason : he needed him to put and end to the lich king . Illidan compeltely failed , kil'jaeden wasnt pleased at all by its first failure , to the point that illidan could only believe that its only chance of survival was a runaway to draenor , so imagine now after a second failure!!!
Do you really think that the orcs , you yourself describes as not stupid doesnt know that magtheridon was "only" the ambassador of the Burning legion or at least higher officers ?? Do you think that illidan ,literally begging for his life in front of kil'jaeden , would become their god , when they do know a little about the forces of an Order the blindly followed ??Quote:
he killed the orcish "god", Magtheridon
For every races they have been different clans following different factions ..
Thrall doesnt control all the orcs on azeroth , the alliance doesnt control all humans , the elves didnt control illidan and before the High bornes , why the thought of illidan not controlling all the orc of dreanor so difficult ??
well that was my point they didnt had past issues or real intereaction . While the tauren does have issues with their centaur persecutors thus preventing any alliance (unless some kind of ridiculous plot twist)Quote:
never said that the tauren had any interaction with the undead, but still, they are technically allied.
Thats how the tauren-centaurs relationship is identical to the dranaei and the orcs. The orcs exterminated the dranaei , there is no reason for them to team up , they even only joined illidan because they would help wipe the orcs . Again unless some stupid plot twists the two cant coexist pacifically before long .
So yet another reason why the draenor's orc following illidan not realkly plausible and logical
Meh... I never said Illidan had to rule over ALL the fel orcs, my only point was to put fourth a way in which I could play naga. Giving them their own faction, balanced with four races, was the best way I could think of to have done that.
Still, i doubt it would be any sort of a stretch or the imagination to have at least some of the fel orcs coexisting with the dranaei. With the fel orcs conquered, and the draneai part of the conquering force, I imagine that the fel orcs would have to be a bit submissive, IE, less hostile.
What would happen if the tauren went and took out the centaur leaders, storming their encampments, until only a few were left? THAT is more akin to what the Dranaei/orcs are going through. Total annhilation is not what the Dranaei are going for.
the prob is that the orcs arent the one disturbed with such alliance with the dranaei..its the other way around , they were wiped , exterminated , hunted , weither it was out of hatred , or just because of orders by the orcs. The dranaei , even thought the opinion of every of them wasnt represented , they did showed huge ressentement for the orcs , explaining such an easy and fast alliance with a total stranger like illidan . Comparing the dranaei to the tauren got its limits , it was only about them being in the past an hunted race , just like the dranaei , now while we believe the tauren being nobles and prides creature with strong respect toward nature and in overall peaceful ,we dont dont much about the dranaei cultures and behavior . We cant even tell what would they do to the centaurs if they had a chance to wipe them all , now we can predict that they wouldnt ally with them , at least not so soon!!
Now what we do certainly know is that the dranaei joined a group of races heavily toward vengeance (after all thats what blood elves ae about , vengeance an magic addiction , thats what the naga and are about ,v engeance and magic addiction , as well for illidan)
Now it seems you didnt understood my opinion about the dreanor's orc behavior or that i idnt explained well...
IHMO the orcs of the cult of the damned on the land of azeroth are identical in many ways to the dreanor orcs
They blindly follow demons as Gods and believe that only THEMSELVES are worth working for them . Thats why even thought the scourge came to help summoning the demons (they didnt in fact , and had hidden intents , but the orcs couldnt guess or know it anyway) they refused their "help" and battled them .
In WoW's timeline , even outnumbered (well maybe not but not dominating anyway) by the alliance , the Scourge ,a nd many other anti-legion or orcs factions , they still fight and keep faith in their dark gods , even while those appently wouldnt care anymore about them . This isnt about them being stupid or naything , it just show how much their faith is strong even thought they dont really have many contacts with the legion
I believe that the dreanor's orcs are the same way , even worse if you consider that , unlike their brother of the cult of the damned they kept contacts with the demons , not to mention their corruption by them and the bloodlust filling their mind and transmuting them into berserk machines . The fel orcs conquered ? doesnt believe so , no land in warcraft's world is a safe and undisputed haven for any side , there are many resistance groups everywhere . That fact and their too strong loyalty to their old demon masters + the mutual dislike between them and the dranaei+ a possible mutual dislike between them and the blood elves (still elven after all ,and pretty much fated to hold some grudge , even minor toward the orcs) are another points against such alliance.
Illidan defeated magtheridon , yet they do know magtheridon was only their local chief , not the ace of the burning legion , not to mention illidan's little show : begging its life before kil'jaeden , thus renforcing the orc's faith about any orc seeing it imho. I find pretty unlikely to see bloodlusted orcs with not any friend in a faction ally with a supposed new boss begging for his life in front of one of the Orcs God ...
it would be an issue because such storylines tweaks have been used other and over in any blizzard rts games like the zerg-protoss alliance in broodwar , or even in the warcraft universeQuote:
Still, i doubt it would be any sort of a stretch or the imagination to have at least some of the fel orcs coexisting with the dranaei.
Such measure should be carefully used (and imho even if used many times sof ar it has been well used) . I doubt that the dranaei holds "any" really value in the warcraft's storyline compared to "more" important races . Such plot twist should remain rare and used at judicious and important moment or else you loose any surprise effect and interest .. if we were to see all the time unholy alliance , it would get old and boring.
Now i understand your point about a 4th component of a possible faction , but including the draenor's orc in that faction means creating illogical and weird reasons , if needed i'm sure blizzard will find another way.
As an example , the khadgar 's allaince group gone throught the nether twist to survive the destruction of draenor makes a more realistic and plausible 4th component . Now if you mean illidan's faction as a playable , even khadgar's team would seems weird and confusing , and the orcs even more , they seems to have tried to avoid playable races being of 2 different faction , so i doubt they would be putting humans vs humans , orcs vs orcs etc...
Uh, just out of curiosity, where/what is Gilneas? I don't remember that name at the moment.
The whole country of Gilneas has closed their borders and built a large wall at Silverpine and will not be playable at game launch .
Gilneas is led by the human king, Genn Greymane. After the elves of Quel'Thalas secede from the Alliance of Lordaeron. It is an outlying human kingdom on the Great Sea.
Leader of the strong and numerous Gilneas, Genn Greymane originally declined the offer to join the Alliance, but in the end of the Second War, he quickly joined as the Orcs began attacking him, just in time to help the Alliance route the Orcs at the Dark Portal.
After the war, the Orcs were put into concentration camps, but Genn Greymane disagreed, believing them all to be too dangerous to leave alive. He also wished to annex the treacherous Alterac, and Terenas was quick to refuse.
When the interment camps opened and began to pull resources in taxes throughout the Alliance, Greymane had had enough, and withdrew his support from the Alliance.
Lordaeron's recent invasion probably touched on Gilneas, as well, and Greymane's fate hereafter is uncertain at best.
PS : about alterac :
Lord Perenolde of Alterac led the weakest contributor to the Alliance. He feared for the safety of his people, and so betrayed the Alliance, feeding information to Doomhammer and the Horde. Perenolde arranged for a peasant revolt in Tyr’s Hand to cover mining operations there, and attempted to assassinate Sire Uther Lightbringer to tamper with the Order of the Silver Hand.
Perenolde was found out, Alterac was all but destroyed, and he escaped. However, during an Orcish attack on New Stormwind in the Aftermath, Perenolde had the Book of Medivh stolen by his troops in an attempt to use the Orcs to rid his lands of vengeful Stromgarde and Lordaeron troops. However, after the debacle, martial law was instituted a second time, and Perenolde was forced to turn over his crown.
During the Third War, Perenolde was among the powerful humans who heard the call of Ner'zhul, and made the exodus to Northrend in an attempt to gain power and longevity. Baron Perenolde became a scheming death knight, and he unquestioningly served the Lich King in his every endeavor.
Gilneas is one of the Human kingdoms from Warcraft II. When the armies of Stormwind(and Azeroth) were forced to flee to Lordaeron, King Teranas of Lordaeron called for help from all the nearby kingdoms to help him fight the orcs that would be invading. Gilneas was the only human nation to not join the alliance because "As ruler of one of the strongest human nations, Genn Greymane is convinced that his own armies can deal with any threat."Quote:
Originally Posted by aerynelf
The actual kingdom is located along the south-western shore of Lordaeron on a pennisula(directly west of Khaz Modan, across the sea).
Ahh, thanks for the answers on Gilneas, guys. :)
I've been going through and playing the bonus campaign in TFT to tide me over, but it's just not holding my attention.
I keep thinking I might actually try EQ in the meantime, except that people keep talking about all the problems with it and stuff. c.c
For the record, Alterac is no longer "all but destroyed." It's very destroyed. If it were any more destroyed, it'd be a crater. As far as I can tell, there are no human beings left there, in fact.
Was it pretty much smashed by the Scourge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whizbang Dustyboots