So, USA's setting up another false flag war, but one that will bite us all in the ass

Zarb

that means there are NATO (UK) forces in Ukraine, actively KILLING Russians and helping with attacks on Russian soil and it doesn't matter what you think counts as "Russian soil" only what the Russian government does...for purposes of declaring war, and like, you know, nuking your family.

Russian navy ships, their "Whitehouse" (Kremlin) have been attacked, using NATO info and set up by our folk, everyone knows this, the Russians had until recently not brought this up because they did not want to escalate this to World War Three.
Because, attacks like that ARE legit reasons to go to war with NATO, which was why during the Cold War everyone avoided direct attacks one each other's home nations!

Doesn't matter if it's one guy or a regiment: if they are acting under higher authority, it's war...it's also a war crime considering some of the targets


Nuland got the boot, oh I wonder why....mayhap the lunatic was about to do something even the NeoCons found insane?

Meanwhile, that's 3 Patriot systems obliterated in the past month, cause the Russian's use of "FAB" glide bombs is annihilating the Ukrainian army, so some idiot decided to move Patriots up to the combat line to try and stop the Russian jets lobbing the FABs....
which put the Patriots in easy range of missiles etc...BOOMSKI! :rolleyes:

yeah parking a Patriot radar right next to a pair of its launchers was soooo smart

The Russians have went into mass production of their FAB 1500kg weapon, go look for vids of what it does, ick!
Ukrainian hasty defences they are trying to throw up won't do jack squat cause those things blew hell out of major defences in and around Avdiivka

AND on top of that, the first jet powered glide bombs have shown up, with a range of at least 120km and probably a hell of a lot more than that


PS no, Russian stuff does not suck, they are not orcs, they are not subhumans, they are not morons, they can make stuff that gets the job done and in job lots.
Now their jets can lob up to 6 FABs at a time
FAb 250kg weapons doing a nice job of taking out a tree line
https://twitter.com/i/status/1766153427539644596

just like before, starting war with the Russians ends up with them taking time to get round to it, but when they do, they start getting very damn good at it and upgrade their gear
This time they don't have Stalin, Beria and a lunatic political system hindering things

Get some fucking respect for adversaries, no wonder America keeps losing! (and us, sigh)

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Zarb

that means there are NATO (UK) forces in Ukraine, actively KILLING Russians and helping with attacks on Russian soil"

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No. No, it doesn't.

It means that there are UK soldiers on Ukrainian soil, who are NOT actively killing Russians nor helping with attacks on Russian soil.

The quote you keep citing does NOT say that, no matter how much you want to believe that it does.

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and it doesn't matter what you think counts as "Russian soil" only what the Russian government does...

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Hold the phone here - what, EXACTLY, are you saying here? Are you saying that Russian-held positions inside the borders of Ukraine during an ongoing conflict are actual "Russian soil"?

Because that is simply not how that works.

That is not how any of that works.

And EVERYONE, including Russia, KNOWS THAT.

Do you?

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Russian navy ships, their "Whitehouse" (Kremlin) have been attacked, using NATO INFO and set up by our folk, everyone knows this

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Whoa whoa whoa, hold the Gish Gallop.

First off, are you referring to the Russian Navy ships off the coast of Ukraine, THAT HAVE BEEN LAUNCHING ATTACKS AGAINST UKRAINE?

Second, there was a drone attack against the Kremlin in May of 2023, and we still don't know who was behind it. Note that it wasn't effective, and Putin wasn't even present at the time, so it was either a stupid tactical and strategic move by Ukraine, or a false flag attack by Russia itself.

Third (and most importantly), "using NATO info and set up by our folk"? Wtf are you talking about, EXACTLY?

And when you say "everyone knows this" (god, even that phrasing sounds like it's straight out of a Russian propaganda piece), what EXACTLY do you mean. How does everyone know this? How EXACTLY did they find out about it? How did YOU find out about this?

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the Russians had until recently not brought this up

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WTF are you talking about? If you're referring to the drone strikes on the Kremlin, they brought that up IMMEDIATELY, and launched rocket strikes against Ukraine IMMEDIATELY.

Zarb

the Russians did not expose the number and actions of NATO military in Ukraine, because they did not want to start World War Three.
It's gone too far now.

Scholz, Macron, Sikorski and others have alle exposed our troops and special forces have been organizing and even directly attacking Russian troops and infrastructure.

Hell is coming, and it IS your fault, because if you do not oppose such shit you SUPPORT it.

As i warned for about 20 years back on the Mage Tower then here, the increasing manufactured Partisanship of Western politics has become Sectarianism, which has led to hate and self destructive stupidity
Control of the entire establishment Media by the intelligence services, has warped things into a "1984/Brave New World" state, a "daily Hate" against Russia, a nuclear super power who controls much of the world's vital commodities...oh that could never EVER go wrong, nope! Never! :rolleyes:

Please wake up :)
Time is growing ever shorter, whether this debacle ends in a Depression worse than 1930s, or a nuclear holocaust...we don't know as of yet.
But htere sure as fuck isn't anyone of support and stature in the entire Western world to stop this runaway train

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Zarb

the Russians did not expose the number and actions of NATO military in Ukraine, because they did not want to start World War Three.

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What actions?
SPECIFICALLY, WHAT ACTIONS?
How do YOU know about those actions?
How do you know that Russia knows about them?
How do you know why Russia did not expose whatever actions you clearly cited and linked supporting sources to, above?

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It's gone too far now.

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What SPECIFICALLY was it that crossed the line to make it too far?
How do you know that was too far?

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Scholz, Macron, Sikorski and others have alle exposed our troops and special forces have been organizing and even directly attacking Russian troops and infrastructure.

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Citation(s). Please.

And no, saying "everyone knows this" is not a citation.

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Hell is coming

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That is a very distinct possibility.

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and it IS your fault, because if you do not oppose such shit you SUPPORT it.

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Well, no.

First off, that is a false dichotomy. So, that's a failure at a basic logic level.

Second, regardless of whether or not I support(ed) or oppose(d) the political leaders behind those actions in the past, it is (maybe?) occurring in the present. My direct influence on these specific (alleged) actions is effectively zero. So that is also a failure at a practical level.

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As i warned for about 20 years back on the Mage Tower then here, the increasing manufactured Partisanship of Western politics has become Sectarianism, which has led to hate and self destructive stupidity
Control of the entire establishment Media by the intelligence services, has warped things into a "1984/Brave New World" state, a "daily Hate" against Russia, a nuclear super power who controls much of the world's vital commodities.

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American politics are not the same as "Western politics"; there is significant overlap, but the Venn diagram is NOT a circle.

The fundamental issue then (as it is now) is tribalism, and you were correct then (as you are correct now) to sound the alarm about its risks when applied on both a national and geopolitical scale.

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Please wake up :)

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Silver, you've read my responses to your posts over the years. You're reading them now. You see me regularly acknowledge your arguments and you see me point out in specific detail where I disagree with you, and also where I think we find common ground.

Does that really, truly, sound like I am "asleep" to you?

Really?

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Time is growing ever shorter, whether this debacle ends in a Depression worse than 1930s, or a nuclear holocaust...we don't know as of yet.
But htere sure as fuck isn't anyone of support and stature in the entire Western world to stop this runaway train

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That. Is a completely valid concern.

And it scares the shit out of me too.

We may disagree on a lot of the specifics, but I think we both agree that the overall trend is toward the destabilization of modern western civilization as a whole.

And I don't know that there is any single course of action that can stabilize things, or rebuild them in a manner that does not tend toward entropy just the same.

Very worrying times.

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Wow. I always find myself wondering. Account hacked by a Russian bot? Or fell down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole?

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Oh, Torcer was definitely hacked by a Russian bot long ago. He's in Smolensk right now, assembling an elite force of bots to counter all the Chinese spies the Democrats have been working with. This election is a proxy war between Russia and China. It is known.

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last I checked, Wanting the IDF to stop deliberately targeting and wholesale murdering civilians is not hating the jews.

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It makes it harder to fight Hamas when we pretend that Hamas is made up of "civilians." It makes it even harder when liberals support Hamas because they think "derp, dey are BIPOC, derp!"

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Ali and Silver must be pen pals.

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Ah, so he's the only person on Graffe's not huffing liberal farts now? Well guess what, I'm more queer than a three dollar bill, and even I'm over this woke shit. I am old enough to remember the Soviet Union and how their propaganda worked, and the last ten years have been nothing but Soviet-style propaganda and Lysenkoism masquerading as "the Science(tm)." I especially can't stand the way you goat-ropers seem to believe that starting World War Three over two corrupt dictators fighting over the corpse of a nation that was all but killed decades ago by the Holodomor in the name of anti-Kulakism is somehow supporting freedom and democracy. Especially when the people cheering on "the Ukrainians" would have been happily part of the anti-Kulak mob had you been transported through time and space to that region. I also can't stand the way these folks are cheering on Hamas after October 7th. Disgusting. I used to be very much sympathetic to the Palestinians, right up until last October 7th. They changed my mind. I'm with Torcer now. He was right all along, I was wrong on that topic.

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Yes, in general a majority of those who dare call themselves "Liberal" nowadays are nothing of the sort, they are just cowardly bastards who are too gutless to express their hatreds etc
The xnophbia etc of the GOP/Tories is obvious, but the Left has warped into a nightmare too but won't admit it

I have warned for long and weary that the "political class" and media of the USA and West in general, had been specifically increasing partisanship to utterly dangerous levels until it has become Sectarianism. :(
"US OR THEM, KILL 'EM ALL!" that's' what it's become, and those extremes push weak minded folk into supporting any madness their leaders suggest
And "weak mind" has nothing to do with "intellectual capacity"


As for Gaza...are you THAT fucking clueless?!
Israeli, Jewish witnesses by the score have come forward, as well as physical evidence, to prove that most of the Jewish dead that day were killed by their own fucking military!!
The IDF of today are kill happy racist psychos, as photo evidence PROVE (do I have to post that horrific shit, hm?)
and the IDF oeprate under an actual official policy to kill their own people to stop them being held hostage

Ergo those BASTARDS massacred their own people, that open air festival was annihilated by a ISRAEL helicopter gunships and cannon fire, the Hamas sods sure as FUCK were not carrying ATGMs and 30mm cannons!

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I'm not going to respond because I don't believe in arguing with crazy people, it's a waste of time and effort and it just agitates the crazy person involved.

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I'm not going to respond because I don't believe in arguing with crazy people, it's a waste of time and effort and it just agitates the crazy person involved.

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*eyes Alikat*
Well..you know...it takes one to know one! :p

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What actions?

That. Is a completely valid concern.

And it scares the shit out of me too.

We may disagree on a lot of the specifics, but I think we both agree that the overall trend is toward the destabilization of modern western civilization as a whole.

And I don't know that there is any single course of action that can stabilize things, or rebuild them in a manner that does not tend toward entropy just the same.

Very worrying times.

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I have warned you all for a long time to PLEASE get out of the cities, start a homestead if you can, certainly stockpile food and tangible goods etc :)

I find Americans in particular but most "youngsters in general" to have a ludicrously unrealistic understanding of the dangers :(
Remember i did explain, again over a long time, how bad our infrastructure, emergency service etc had gotten, and our "Political class" are...worse than anything even Rome produced, ugh!
Picking wars with Russia, China and Iran at the same time...on top of all these problems is just...well it's going to end very badly indeed.

Because our societies are so wealthy/out of touch etc, IMHO, societal collapse is a realistic possibility because of the shock in sudden change of circumstances, mental health issues etc etc
If folk will kill over toilet paper...what will they do when their mobile phones go off, no food on shelves or no food that they can afford?

You can't claim this is "russian disinformation"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...lized-men-war/

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"In this Ukrainian village, almost no men are left. Few men of fighting age are left in this village in southwest Ukraine, and those who remain fear they will be drafted at any moment. Their neighbors are already hundreds of miles east in trenches on the front lines. Some have been killed or wounded. Several are missing. Others from this rural area — about 45 miles from the borders of Romania and Moldova — have fled abroad or found ways to avoid the war, either with legitimate exemptions or by hiding.

“It’s just a fact,” said Larysa Bodna, deputy director of the local school, which keeps a database of students whose parents are deployed. “Most of them are gone.”

Ukraine desperately needs more troops, with its forces depleted by deaths, injuries and exhaustion. Despite Russia’s own enormous casualties, the invaders still far outnumber Ukraine’s defenders, an advantage that is helping Moscow advance on the battlefield. Ukraine’s parliament is debating a bill to expand the draft pool, in part by lowering the eligibility age to 25 from 27, but few decisions are being made in Kyiv that will quickly answer the army’s urgent needs.

Civilians here say that means military recruiters are grabbing everyone they can. In the west, the mobilization drive has steadily sown panic and resentment in small agricultural towns and villages like Makiv, where residents said soldiers working for draft offices roam the near-empty streets searching for any remaining men. Such tactics have led some to believe that their men are being targeted disproportionately compared with other regions or bigger cities like Kyiv, where it is easier to hide.

Locals use Telegram channels to warn of soldier sightings and share videos of troops forcing men into their vehicles — stoking rumors of kidnappings. Some men are now serving time in jail for refusing to sign up.

“People are being caught like dogs on the street,” said Olha Kametyuk, 35, whose husband, Valentin, 36, was drafted in June by soldiers who approached him and asked for his papers after he stopped for coffee on the main road outside Makiv. Despite a diagnosis of osteochondrosis, a joint disorder, he passed his medical exam in 10 minutes, she said, and deployed to the front, where he was wounded.

“The whole village was taken this way,” said Valentin’s mother, Natalya Koshparenko, 61. After three concussions and shrapnel wounds, Oleksii recently returned home. Scrolling through his phone, he showed a photo of him with more than a dozen fellow troops. Only two are still alive, he said."

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#1 Claims of Russians using "Mass wave attacks" are bullshit, no videos ever show this, they DO show Ukrainian forced conscripts having little clue (press ganged and 2 weeks training!), or leadership doing incredibly dumb attacks, the poor bastards :(
#2 Claims of Russian losses are like the "Ghost of Kiev" shit, utterly preposterous: Ukraine claimed to have killed more Russians at Avdiivka than attacked the bloody place!
#3 Once Again, the West, principly the US, is responsible for genocide while blaming it on everyone else

Current insane Belgorod attacks:

#1 Using MLRS systems on a town centre is NOT legitimate, those are area bombardment weapons so it's deliberate terrorist attacks
#2 THose "Russian partisan" units are actual outright dyed in the wool Nazis, as was exposed before the war began...beefed up with NATO "mercs"
#3 they got utterly annihilated, when the fuck will people realize Russia isn't this incompetent useless thing they demand it to be?

and #4, oh #4....

Their main goal was the nuclear weapon storage base near the town and to seize some nukes!

This is possibly while Victoria Nuland got the boot, the crazy bitch and the hardcore Ukrainian Nazis, oh and like Ninetoes! have such a "hate boner" for Russia they'd do ANYTHING to harm Russia, no matter how crazy
Lot or rumour suggesting factions in the Pentagon and State Department have had enough of this, it's going WAY too far and so Nuland got fucked, see her speech about "Ukrainian surprises for Russia!"

Ukrainian, or rather their US and Uk masters have come up with CUNNING PLAN (tm) worthy of Baldric!

yes, let's attack Russian oil refineries with drones and saboteurs, that will show them! Yup!


*Watches oil price go up...inflation and Biden's chance of reelection go down like a crack whore in a political rally*

ya can't make this shit up, sigh

Ok, so you even know what a conversation is anymore? A discussion?

Or are you just ranting ranting ranting 24/7?



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Their main goal was the nuclear weapon storage base near the town and to seize some nukes!

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Russia removed those nukes in May of 2023, so...

Zarb

a) Part conversation, part pissing in the wind.


b) there ARE nukes there currently, it's been "unofficially" confirmed.
See, when NATO countries and the Baltic "chihuahuas" are threatening to jump in, the Russians have to have a handy stockpile of tactical nukes for local forces.

Russian soil- Am I not correct that Russia agreed to Ukraine becoming its own country back when the Soviet Union broke up? That would mean it is not Russian territory by definition, would it not? I can understand why Russia might want it back (everybody likes oil, if nothing else), but its not Russian territory as of the start of the current festivities.

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Zarb

a) Part conversation, part pissing in the wind.

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I would appreciate it if you would separate those into separate posts - one post conversation, one post pissing in the wind.

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b) there ARE nukes there currently, it's been "unofficially" confirmed.
See, when NATO countries and the Baltic "chihuahuas" are threatening to jump in, the Russians have to have a handy stockpile of tactical nukes for local forces.

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I keep asking for sources on these assertions you keep making, and you keep not providing any (and yes, I am searching for any corroborating sources before I ask you for yours).

Post one link supporting what you are claiming.

Well Israel bombed the Iranian Embassy in Damascus....(also damaged the Canadian Embassy as well)
Enjoy $15/gallon for petrol!
oh and World War 3 coming out into the open

Ukraine's Nazi lunatic leaders (yes they are fucking Nazis) bombed Russian oil facilities...and in return Ukraine's entre power generation system got wiped out, plus gas facilities Europe was using for storage

The Russian missiles some here thought were "useless, fantasy, can 't hit anything!"...well the first Hypersonic cruise missiles took out SBU scumbags and a Polish Brigadier General cause a MACH 9 weapon can indeed hit a single building and burrow down into a 6 storey deep bunker

So much more I could go on about but only Schezar and Ackar seem to listen any more, so hey....

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Ukraine's Nazi lunatic leaders (yes they are fucking Nazis)

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WTF is wrong with you? Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a Jew FFS. WTF are you talking about? Ukraine is led by a Jewish Nazi?!

Do you understand how insane that sounds? Do you ever consider pondering alternate sources for the BS opinions you're ingesting?