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Its by application currently. They got 400,000 applications for a few hundred slots and applications are closed currently.
They have 6+ months planned for beta so at some point they will open it up to a Public beta where you can download it, thats probably a few months away at least.
www.worldofwarcraft.com and http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ for more info.
Thank you all BETA testers for your great posts on WOW ).Love the screenshots they look like the game was crafted lovingly instead of put together with the lego adventure construction kit P > ). Like someone actually sat or paced or lay awake at night and pictured the zones and details and what would make them come alive to the players. The best gamemasters in the pen n paper days of rpgs let you see and hear and experince their worlds in your mind . It looks so far like this tradition has been followed masterfully by the Blizzard team.
For myself I see a smooth transition from my current game everquest to worlds of warcraft. I would like a game that makes me feel apart of instead of apart from the environment. A game with a consistent storyline and a progression. A game with neat little suprises that make you go wow honey come see this. A game where min/maxing takes a backseat to the actual fun factor and groups that do not have to be cookie cutter perfect past a certain point ingame to succeed.
Everquest did a lot of things right and lot wrong as well hopefully future mmporgs will mine it for the info .
I have no issue with nonconsensual PVP if the PVP crowd has no issue with substantial and severe retaliation for doing it.
Like being voted off the server not just one toon your whole account and permabanned from the server as well.
Or being banned from the game for 2 week minimum not just your toon your whole account.
Or a random ever increasing chance that your toon vanishes on the spot. IE an act of the gods some gods take issue with their adherents being murdered and take action P.
There are penatiles real and social for assholism in life there should be ingame as well.
Most PVP people dont want PVP they want victims just like scum in real life IMNHO.
Just a couple questions ).
If you link groups does the xp generated get split amongst all members or the group that does the most damage?.
How many groups can you link ?
I may have missed it but can you own a house, tavern, magic castle ? p
Any plans for a trivial loot code ? I so fakin hope not god that was annoying
Can you do anything with survival besides start a campfire?
Dunno but I think fishing bandage and campfire could all be rolled into survival skill just a thought ).
All for now thanks again for the great posts guys )
Mykel Farslayer
65 Mage
Zeb server
Greetings,
I will admit right from the start that I'm biased towards DAoC - I tried EQ, and found the community exceedingly boorish and unhelpful (this was a few years ago.) The DAoC community is the same - the only advantage the game had over EQ for me was I had 6 other friends playing it.
Ok, so now you know where I'm coming from - and after reading this thread - I'm pretty sure where the majority of you all are coming from.
Even being a vet of RvR (Realm v. Realm), I hate the implementation, and barely tolerate the concept. PvP (Player v. Player) tends to come down to quicker reflexes, better gear or simple tactical luck (unobstructed view, better scouting, etc.) I have crappy reflexes, and stay away from the FPS arena. I don't play 18+ hours a day, so don't have the a) money to buy good gear, b) time to make good gear, or c) community status to run a raid to obtain good gear. And while I have on occasion been the recipient of good scouting reports - I more often end up dead under a Norseman's boar spear - so to speak.
A bit more WoW related background - I just finished replaying the W3 original missions (plan on getting TFT sometime this week.) Two observations can be made from the end of the original campaign - 1) The Horde and the Alliance are on shaky ground - but they are talking to each other (I assume something really bad happens with the Lich King in TFT to cause that to crumble.) and 2) Prior to their diplomatic overtures, all four sides were KOS (kill on sight). I can appreciate a merging of allies into two camps (making a four pronged 'realm' war (for lack of a better term) would be daunting.) But I find a complete lack of conflict odd. I can't fathom a complete scism of the paradigm of the World of Warcraft, as espoused in the WC games where a human and an orc, unable to speak to each other, would just completely ignore each other and live their lives apart from conflict.
I can see maybe passifistic individuals not battling, but in general - the conflict is too intense not to allow fighting. You might as well make each server allied centric if there is no interaction (Alliance Servers and Horde Servers)
I do understand that the interaction is not in game yet (can't wait for reports from the next push!). I'm simply responding to those who don't want any PvP at all - or only want it concentual. Thats like going to Bagdad and yelling out in english that you're an American, and are there to see the sights. Pretty sure you'll be dead fairly quickly. As an orc or undead, I'd be rather offended that I couldn't prove my battle prowess by killing your scrawny human or elf butt, just because some 'god' of the ether decided to take the game away from its roots. I forget who said it - but I agree - this isn't the World of Peacecraft.
I do think that there should be plenty of places that are safe - where one can PvE (player v. environment) to their hearts content, get (or make) uber loot by killing uber mobs etc, and never see a hostile (other than mob) face.
But, if I, as an orc, troll etc. wander into Alliance held territory - to 'see the sights', so to speak, I should be KOS. I could see maybe Tauren being able to earn enough faction to not be KOS to Alliance guards and Gnomes for the Horde, but at no time should the flag be removed from players. Ambassadors always run the risk of not being revered in their host country - would make for a fun battle.
Even DAoC and it's vaunted 'RvR' as endgame doesn't require it. The non-RvR server is doing quite well. And with the latest expansion, its like level 50+ In fact, its for that reason I quit the game - I don't want to simply level myself to 50, then deal with getting master abilities, then deal with leveling artifacts, all to be viable in RvR, which is where I was pre-expansion. Someone at Mythic looked at EQ and thought the eternal questing model was more enjoyable. Meh- to each their own - there will always be people who find their nitch in each type of MMO that comes out. When I first saw WoW I thought it was too cartoony (I hate the DAoC realm of Hibernia for that exact reason). But content, game play, the GUI and community can all override the graphics. So far, Master Dustyboots expose has really peeked my interest. I love reading all the questions and answers from this board.
Thanks for letting me ramble. While there are a number of phrases and concepts that are beyond me (due to their being pure EQish), I've enjoyed reading the posts, and trying to figure out whats being said.
Keep up the great work - and know this is one of my 'Official' WoW sites :)
Demetrius Cad
WoW Druid to be
Ex-Necromancer of Nimue
The PvP people really are working very hard to turn WoW into the sort of game they want to play. I've read some incredibly passionate entreaties about how exciting non-consensual PvP makes the world. Nobodies buying it though.
Pretty sure i've read that there will be scripted and freeform PvP battles, but they'll occur within instances and thus seperated from the mainstream of the game. The only people who should find this an issue are the gankers who hate the seperation.
Ultimately I think most people want to play the game against WoW's game designers and their monsters/quests not some 14 year old L33t corpsecamper who exists only to make their game life difficult.
If the market existed for this, then WoW would be very different wouldn't it?
While some might call playing against someone who likes to grief 24/7 FUN and CHALLENGING I don't particularly want to play that kind of game.
There is a reason why Unreal Tournament and other games exist.
PvP looks fun for the few people who enjoy it... Its a niche play otherwise many online games would be very different than they are.
I don't disagree - but the World of Warcraft history screams for non-consentual PvP. Maybe make a, as you call them, Green server or two, for people who want to group Orcs and Humans together. But I think its a gross injustice to force a very violent world into dictates of peaceful (if non-communicative) living. The only viable solution would be to make each server 'realm centric' as I mentioned. That way, a group of Horde players could push into Alliance lands and beat up designed Alliance guards, npcs and land specific mobs and never encounter a non-Horde living soul.Quote:
Originally Posted by camrael
I'm not saying that it should be a free for all. I'm just saying that if I, as an orc, traveled across the ocean, I should be received as a threat. Don't make me invisible, don't allow me to be completely ignored. It takes away completely from the whole feel, scope and yes again, history that is the WoW universe.
I don't even enjoy PvP - not one bit, and I've been forced (ok, coerced by my friends) to play it for 2 years. I'm just curious how you think the game should react if you're an orc crusing Kalimdor, and a war party of PC Night Elves come rolling up, looking for a fight - PC or Mob - doesn't matter to them. Should you not see them at all? Mobs just mysteriously disappearing? Should you not be able to click on them? We know you can't speak to them, so out of frustration, they begin KSing everything - and your only recourse is what? Go cry to a CSR? My point is that none of those reactions jives with what I know the World of Warcraft (through the only interface available until the game is made - the RTS's) to be.
I'm not arguing to put PvP into the game - but the division between Horde and Alliance is real (virtually - pardon the oxymoron). Nothing short of full PvP between the factions will feel like the previous games to WoW. This is a matter that for me is very very touchy - if the world doesn't feel like it has in the past, I won't continue to play it. EQ and DAoC were designed from whole cloth - there wasnt' any past history to draw from (other than myth and legend). My short sighted vision only sees two solutions. Full faction PvP or Single faction servers... Hopefully Blizzard has more vision than I do.
Demetrius
I think until the instanced PVP battlefields are in, it's premature to judge how well or poorly it'll do. (This goes for people on both sides.)
I will say, having roamed the world extensively since November, if the world is turned into team based PVP with no other substantive changes, it won't be that much fun for a lot of people, since the odd man out race on each faction (undead in the Alliance hemisphere, the night elves in the Horde hemisphere) will be nigh-extinct overnight.
Having said that, no one likes PVP more than a lot of the folks at Blizzard. Even the folks swinging their e-dicks the most can't keep up with them -- it'd be wise for everyone just to wait and see what the result is before angsting too much over it. I suspect we'll a) see instanced PVP that will please the consensual crowd and b) PVP servers that allow team-based and maybe even FFA PVP for those who really want that stuff as well.
But honestly, at this point, no one gives a shit about who's cooler or who's lamer, in the PVP vs PVE slapfights. It's just wasted bandwidth.
EQ is in the backseat? how many people play it vs every other MMORPG out there?Quote:
Originally Posted by xxashxx
your posts make it look like you are missing half the keys on the keyboard and make you look like you know nothing about the subject at hand ><Quote:
Originally Posted by xxashxx
It's Epeen. Gotta keep up with the terminology.Quote:
Even the folks swinging their e-dicks the most can't keep up with them
Just a quick question regarding quests.
Does it seem as though raids will be the only way to achieve the higher-end quests, or will there be the possibility of quests where a small group would work much better than a large group? A crack squad of gnomish operatives wending their way through an underground maze to secure a priceless relic, for instance.
again those "friendly" relationships between orcs , humans and elves were quite an exception ... The humans involved were jaina's people , survivors of lordaeron , not really a represent of the whole alliance scene . Besides , like someone said Thrall isnt probably leading ALL the orcs . Besides the rest of the human population got issues with the orcs since war1 and 2 prolly still holds many grudges or maybe new ones if revealed in WoW .Quote:
A bit more WoW related background - I just finished replaying the W3 original missions (plan on getting TFT sometime this week.) Two observations can be made from the end of the original campaign - 1) The Horde and the Alliance are on shaky ground - but they are talking to each other (I assume something really bad happens with the Lich King in TFT to cause that to crumble.) and 2) Prior to their diplomatic overtures, all four sides were KOS (kill on sight). I can appreciate a merging of allies into two camps (making a four pronged 'realm' war (for lack of a better term) would be daunting.) But I find a complete lack of conflict odd. I can't fathom a complete scism of the paradigm of the World of Warcraft, as espoused in the WC games where a human and an orc, unable to speak to each other, would just completely ignore each other and live their lives apart from conflict.
As for the elves they were only balancing the invasion of orcs and humans , the death of elves from both races , the old pacts of orcs with demons , the murder of cenarius by orcs and , the damages over the land Versus The Scourge and the Burning legions .
Now after archi-monde is gone they probably didnt felt the orc being an interesting enough ally , especially if they learnt that those joined force with an undead force , even if rebel....
If think that there are quite many reasons of conflicts between both sides
The guild and raid quests at the higher end will be the exceptions to the group-based stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidybowl
And Pedi and I specialize in figuring out ways to commando through territories that most folks would get a group (or two) and plow through. It's definitely supported.
Two whole tribes have opted out of the Horde, and there's at least one orc cult that worships the demons (the Burning Blade cult).Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoLucifer
Just because I'm hungry for trivia, which tribes? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Whizbang Dustyboots
Ahh, but you are choosing to do that to give yourselves a challenge ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Whizbang Dustyboots
What I would like to see are quests or missions that you just can't throw an army at and achieve through pure brute force. Sure you could try but you would just get a couple of hundred people caught in narrow corridors and tunnels, and in the end you will find out that a small group operating with finesse is the way to go. Big isn't always everything ;)
I've heard that there are going to be Rogue-specific quests that have you sneaking into enemy factions' cities and stuff. Could be fun to have a little commando squad of Rogues running around causing mischief. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidybowl
I can't speak for any Rogue specific quests, but they have added Warlock specific and Paladin specific quests, and I think Warrior too. They definitely seem to like the idea of going that route. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aerynelf
I really, really dont want PvP on all servers. It ruins the game for those who dislike it, and all this talk of 'penalized PvP' is not my cup of tea...
Dont get me wrong, I'm pro PvP all the way. But what there needs to be are 'red' servers, with special rulesets. A filter for us retards ;)
The Dragonmaw orcs are still lurking in the corners of Khaz Modan and have retaken one of the citadels they lost after the Second War.Quote:
Originally Posted by aerynelf
The Blackrock orcs are firmly entrenched in the Burning Steppes and have begun to spill out into the Redridge Mountains.
Both of these are bad news for the Alliance.
We're choosing to do it because looking for more people in a group for however long sucks ass as compared to sucking it up and getting it done, however you gotta adapt to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidybowl
There are just such quests. When you get to play, run an Alliance character to the Stonetalon Mountains and talk to a certain gnome and night elf duo about the Venture Company. They'll send you on an espionage mission that includes blowing stuff up to draw the huge armies of guards away from your objective, since plowing through them is VERY impractical until you're of a much, much higher level. (i.e. 10 or more levels beyond what the quest is designed for.)Quote:
What I would like to see are quests or missions that you just can't throw an army at and achieve through pure brute force. Sure you could try but you would just get a couple of hundred people caught in narrow corridors and tunnels, and in the end you will find out that a small group operating with finesse is the way to go. Big isn't always everything ;)
The folks who designed the first War3 undead mission and second night elf mission are still in the building at Blizzard, and the same aesthetic that created those two sneaker missions is alive and well in WoW.