[WoW] I Was a Teenage Alpha Tester

Quote:

---

Hiya can i just say that wizzy ur posting seems bias - just seemed this si your first MMORPG - just my opinion but back to my post - is there any RvR in WoW? Future plans for any RvR in WoW?

---

Could you have stuck your foot any further down your throat? I'm not sure if you're talking about Dmitry, or Whizbang, but that comment is completely retarded. Did you even pay attention to what this board was when you came here and posted?

Its still too early to know for sure, but so far about 10% of the game is PvP. It has some RvR elements, but the RvR is not the 'end game' like DAoC tried to make it.

If you actually paid attention to this thread instead of just reading Whizbang's post, you would have noticed that almost all of the people in the Alpha that are posting here were long-time EQ players.

I don't even know why I'm bother, you didnt bother to read ANYTHING from this board, so chances are you're not going to read the response.

Blizzard is aware of the strong feelings of some people towards a more prominent Horde vs. Alliance aspect to the game. There were many threads on the old Alpha boards concerning this subject. What they will do with it in the future is something only they can answer, and certainly someone giving an overview of the game from the perspective of an outside tester cannot say with certainty what that will be.

Don't be so quick to judge. Your preconceived opinions on the game may change as the game is developed further. Keep in mind that the game to date consists of levels 1-30, which are generally building on the story of your race and your hometown areas. Only at the upper levels available do you start to see some form of interaction (via quests) with the other "force".

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xxashxx

The games that will outlast all the others, are ones that YOU as a gamer have a POSITIVE oppotunity impact upon, i.e the RvR games.

---

Your conclusion does not follow from the assumptions. RvR is clearly not the only way a gamer can "positively" impact upon the world. In fact in DaoC’s (who did not do it first) implementation of RvR there is zero world impact. When looking at "which games will last" you might take a loom at which games are loosing players and which are gaining. DAoC (which you seem to be a fan of) has steadily lost online playership over the last year. Yes, they sell the expansions when they come out, but the number of people playing every night has been dropping, so much so they have had to join servers.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yyidth

Your conclusion does not follow from the assumptions. RvR is clearly not the only way a gamer can "positively" impact upon the world. In fact in DaoC’s (who did not do it first) implementation of RvR there is zero world impact. When looking at "which games will last" you might take a loom at which games are loosing players and which are gaining. DAoC (which you seem to be a fan of) has steadily lost online playership over the last year. Yes, they sell the expansions when they come out, but the number of people playing every night has been dropping, so much so they have had to join servers.

---

Firstly, thansk Telegareth, your feedback was extremely insightful, yyidth - DAoC has had RvR from the start, a fan, possibly yes. DAoCs base has been steadily growing, and the server that was shutdown was one that wasn't needed. How can you say Zero impact in DAoC? I'm sorry you seemed to be iladvised there friend, places such as DF and Relics + Keeps are not impacting on ppls game play in DAoC?... :rolleyes:

@ Nadiar i read the full post, mainly skimming for ocmments vs DAoC wich seemed limited and untrue, ie consentual pvp - its same in DAoC, or he was talking to new gamers on the alpha

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xxashxx

yyidth - DAoC has had RvR from the start, a fan, possibly yes. DAoCs base has been steadily growing, and the server that was shutdown was one that wasn't needed. How can you say Zero impact in DAoC? I'm sorry you seemed to be iladvised there friend, places such as DF and Relics + Keeps are not impacting on ppls game play in DAoC?...

---

Read harder before you respond, son. And, a small change in xp gain/loss does not an impact make. DAoC has no endgame, which is why it has consistently lost player base over the last year. Merging servers is merging servers no matter what the reason and it’s not a good sign. WoW seems to have been wise enough to model in general after the game leaders not the followers.

RvR = Risk versus Reward?

or

RvR = Realm vs. Realm?

edit:

Quote:

---

Hiya can i just say that wizzy ur posting seems bias - just seemed this si your first MMORPG

---

Of course he is biased, he obviously likes the game. However, it is not his first MMORPG. Among (a great many) other things, Whizbang is an Everquest veteran and has played DAoC.

The second.

I think he means Realm vs. Realm. At least my response was based upon that assumption.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yyidth

WoW seems to have been wise enough to model in general after the game leaders not the followers.

---

Sorry this comment is moot friend. leaders? lets look at Diablo2 1.10 patch, and now lets look at the WC3 very much needed patch, secondly, the imbalances of both games? :rolleyes:

No wonder the Roper & crew jumped ship.

Leaders no, no friend, followers? Very much indeed yes.

Endgame is the base of all falling blocks, for serious gamers anyhow. Each to their own friend. Look at Diablo2? Endgame rip. Look at SC? Endgame rip. WC3? Endgame rip. The only thing that has kept them alive is the ability to promote pvp and in other games, RvR.

Please respect me enough to not call me "son". The age of 24 is far from that, friend.

I know enough ppl that called EQ EverCrack, but are so tired of its zombie play, they find RvR in DAoC the way forward. WoW is something modelled for Diablo3 (without the Roper & crew) to appeal to ppl that have never played MMORPGs and their base will be kids with poppas cc. Ofc they will love it, for they know no other MMORPGs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xxashxx

Sorry this comment is moot friend. leaders? lets look at Diablo2 1.10 patch, and now lets look at the WC3 very much needed patch, secondly, the imbalances of both games? :rolleyes:

No wonder the Roper & crew jumped ship.

Leaders no, no friend, followers? Very much indeed yes.

Endgame is the base of all falling blocks, for serious gamers anyhow. Each to their own friend. Look at Diablo2? Endgame rip. Look at SC? Endgame rip. WC3? Endgame rip. The only thing that has kept them alive is the ability to promote pvp and in other games, RvR.

Please respect me enough to not call me "son". The age of 24 is far from that, friend.

I know enough ppl that called EQ EverCrack, but are so tired of its zombie play, they find RvR in DAoC the way forward. WoW is something modelled for Diablo3 (without the Roper & crew) to appeal to ppl that have never played MMORPGs and their base will be kids with poppas cc. Ofc they will love it, for they know no other MMORPGs.

---

Could you care to expound on .. well, anything you might actually care to make a point on?

Edit:...

For instance, I could say your ability to write persuasively is 'Poor' .. and just leave it at that.

Or, I could say your ability to write persuasively is 'Poor', because you assume your audience knows when you are talking about to begin with and you assume that they agree with you.

Let's put a bit more effort into it, Son. Give people a reason to respect you.

Fredre

Hm ok, Blizzard making a MMORPG is like America waiting for another 9/11.

Point enough, Child.

They're making a pretty MMORPG with no direction of whats happening now. They joined the bandwagon too late, and will join EQ and UO in the backseat is all i'm saying. They're failure to keep up with todays gaming is a shame on them, and their ability to promote themselves as game leaders. DAoC model is far more superior, and the only upset ppl about DAoC is their inability to adapt to patches, new balances, and zergs > them (a rush of gamers overcomming your group quickly).

Wizzys post was a helpful FAQ, but lacked thorough critism to a new game to make me feel he hadn't played many MMORPG at all (yes i read it well).

Xxashxx, WC3 and Diablo2 are not games in the same genre as WoW or EQ or DAoC or AO or UO or a few others. The genre in discussion here is MMO (that's Massively Multiplayer Online Persistent Worlds). You are comparing apples and oranges, which as we all know make fine fruit salad (with some coconut and heavy cream) but does not lead to any sort of valid conclusion. Diablo2 and WC3 don't need and end game. I would make no sense for them to have one. For online play they exist for as PvP theaters with a RTS framework (as apposed to a FPS framework), which is a style of play that a fair number of people enjoy and this is good. In the MMO genre the both the persistent world and the 10,000 people playing together force the need for an endgame that consists of some form of high end content (how that high end content takes form is very much up for debate).

Can someone say, if this game will be all about collecting items? Or are the quests interesting enough? http://www.start2dance.com/forum/htm...ons/unsure.gif

xxashxx if you claim others to have no experience to MMORPGs i suppose you have loads of it.

However your argument seems to threshold on the border of irrelevance and nonsensical when you attempt to judge Blizzard's attempt at a MMORPG with other genre's of games it has produced namely the rts WC3 and the hack slash D2.

I believe this is a well established community of MMORPG players who have been playing this genre for a while now, its kinda saddens me that a post like yours seems to have hijacked the meaning of this thread.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xxashxx

Hm ok, Blizzard making a MMORPG is like America waiting for another 9/11.

Point enough, Child.

---

At least use my RL title ... Dr. Child would be fine, Son.

Quote:

---

They're making a pretty MMORPG with no direction of whats happening now. They joined the bandwagon too late, and will join EQ and UO in the backseat is all i'm saying. They're failure to keep up with todays gaming is a shame on them, and their ability to promote themselves as game leaders. DAoC model is far more superior, and the only upset ppl about DAoC is their inability to adapt to patches, new balances, and zergs > them (a rush of gamers overcomming your group quickly).

---

Good thing they are late on the bandwagon. The landscape is littered with MMORPGs that are pretty. Whiz's review indicated far more story and content that any three recent failures had put together (take your pick SWG, UO, DAoC, etc ...).

Clearly you see PvP as the ultimate endgame. Why not just play match after match of UT2K4 then? Do you think the best 'stuff' should drop from PvP encounters? If you do, where do the players get the 'stuff' you hope to get? Assuredly its not from a PvP encounter. Nope, the end game must be driven by a PvE reward system with a PvP system as secondary.
There was a very good write-up on the WoW forum a couple months back analyzing EQs faults with regard to PvP. I found that writeup to be very solid and persuasive. (probably back about 20 pages now with all the drivel that gets posted there).
I don't do PvP very much at all. EQ has done nothing to improve that situation, nor do I expect it to. If Blizzard can pull off a PvP ruleset without compromising the PvE playability (and from what I read it sounds like they have a shot at doing it) it would most definately put them ahead of the curve as far as any other MMORPG out there.

So I wish you good luck. My guess is WoW will hold your attention for 2 to 4 months, which by that time you'll probably be back to playing RTS and FPS games the majority of time.

Quote:

---

Wizzys post was a helpful FAQ, but lacked thorough critism to a new game to make me feel he hadn't played many MMORPG at all (yes i read it well).

---

/wipes tears from eyes ...

I haven't heard a more ignorant and unenlightened remark in some time. Thank you for that. I needed a good laugh.
I suggest reading it a few more times and maybe making a hardcopy to stick under your pillow at night. Your clearly missing things.

Okay, class ... lets go look at the ogres now. Trolls are getting sleepy.

Dr. Fredre

xxashxx-

I get the impression from your posts that you really enjoy playing DAoC and that the Realm vs. Realm aspect is what really floats your boat. I can understand people who have a passion for a certain idea or concept to be anxious to hear if it will be implemented in something new. But please, realize that the WoW that we have been priveledged enough to playtest to this date is FAR from the finished product and that most of the questions you so desperately want answered just simply cannot be. Whiz did not get into the Realm vs. Realm area and comparisons to DAoC simply because at the moment, there is nothing to base a comparison on. Once a form of Horde vs. Alliance interaction is introduced or officially announced, then comparisons can be made.

I think you should be instead focusing your energy on suggesting ideas on how the Realm vs. Realm content could be added to WoW to create a fun game for you. But please, put it in a different thread, this one has gone in too many directions as it is.

I wondered how long it'd be before this thread got a furiously territorial troll from one of the other MMORPGs.

Why do they do it?

Xxashxx has your reading comprehension completely left you or have you just heard that Blizzard is making an MMO and let your bias prevent you from reading at all?

Quote:

---

Hiya can i just say that wizzy ur posting seems bias - just seemed this si your first MMORPG

---

You did see him compare it to other MMO's? This little review made by Wizbang was posted on a forum made for wizards in Everquest. WoW could hardly be "Wizzy's" first MMO if he's been an active contributer to these very forums for a number of years before you showed your face.

I've got a quick question for you. How could RvR be a possible end game for people who really don't want to play with PvP? How would that be preferrable to someone that has absolutely no desire to play in PvP? I do not like PvP and have no intention of taking advantage of it. There are many people like me. For evidence of that you simply have to compare the number of Blue Everquest Servers to the Red ones. Look at what has been more successful: DAoC with its RvR endgame or Everquest with it's PvE endgame? You're stretching yourself pretty damn thin if you think that DAoC has more subscribers than EQ does.

I have played:

Paper Based D+D
Lead Miniatures, Napoleonics specifically
Text Based Adventure Games on the Apple 2, 2+, 2e
King's Quest and other early RPG's
MUD's (ah the good old days) on Mainframe computers
UO
DAoC
EQ
Asheron's Call
SW:G Beta
Planetside Beta

So far, only EQ has been able to hold my interest in modern times. In the old day's MUD's and early RPG's held my interest.

I think WoW will be a fantastic way to explore the great lore and universe of Blizzard's braintrust and pantheon.

where can i dawnload the world of warcraft beta
:confused: