[WoW] I Was a Teenage Alpha Tester

Okay, newbie here, jumping on the Question and Answer bandwagon, since this thread is rapidly becoming the definitive authority on beta.

I was just wondering if you could tell us a little more about Engineering. I keep hearing of some of the things they can create, but nobody ever seems to explain what they do. For example, you mention you can create harvest golems, and mechanical dragons, but how do they work? Do they act as pets that defend and attack? Can you give orders to them like other pets? Are they on a time limit like the squirrel?

Also, from the sound of it, Engineers go through a lot of effort to make all of their items, and yet there's no real usefulness, at least not compared to a blacksmith or tailor. Could you shed any more light on how an Engineer could be significantly useful to a guild or a non-hunter? Or, failing that, do you think it's likely we'll see more useful recipes in future pushes? Cos at the moment, it seems that Engineers are only really useful to hunters or other Engineers (which seems ridiculous to me)

I haven't done engineering, but Whiz did. I've seen him make a target dummy in which the mob aggros, in order to keep the mob from attacking other group members. Engineers can make seaforum bombs in which they blast apart locked chests (locked chests aren't a rogue-only thang! :p). Engineers can build scopes to add more damage to guns. They can make goggles that add to your STA. They can make exploding sheep. They can make bombs to throw, I think.

I don't know about pets. I've never seen them in action. :)

Engineering is more of a specialized tradeskill that fills in some holes maybe your character or class doesn't have. It's a more personal tradeskill rather than a global one. You become an engineer to make cool stuff and show off your goggles or your exploding sheep, not to make money.

Some of the cooler things you can make are the mechanical squirrels (as mentioned previously) which serve no function whatsoever besides being cute. Target dummys which once thrown down on the ground spring up and distract your opponents while you are fighting them (like a weak taunt). These are great for add control, untill the mob kills them anyway. Explosives can be used for pulling (dynamite, bombs, etc.) and for general ae damage with the big iron bomb. Explosive sheep are great for ae damage to a bunch of hostiles as well. Harvest reapers are like pets, but you can't control them, they just fight for you then die. But you can salvage some parts from them when they do, so it's not like you are throwing all your work away.

Global applications of the engineer's craft would be in Guns, Scopes, practice locks, and shells (bullets). Engineers can make any gun or bow better with the application of a scope, can make them hit harder with the addition of engineered shells. They can also make really neat toys, which have no purpose but to make someone say "cool".

I have two characters that are engineers, primarily because i wanted the sunglasses look of the goggles. Everything else is secondary to the goggles.....

mmm i'm already interested by engineering but i wonder about Leatherworking . I m mean for some classes , lets say warrior and paladin , starting a certain level they will probably mostly wear metallic armors , helmets and gauntlets . Aside from the economy boost( or you could say aside from the fun of leatherwork itself) , for such character and at high levels (well for now 30) , is there a real application and use for it ?? The same could maybe apply to mage , warlock wich might rather use tailoring for their clothes . I also mean asking this , that i hope leatherworks wont be useful only for classes unable to wear some kinds of heavy armor (if there are any...)

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Originally Posted by Telegareth

Target dummys which once thrown down on the ground spring up and distract your opponents while you are fighting them (like a weak taunt).

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Hmm, only a weak taunt? I was reading one of the journal's over at taurentotem.com and it seemed like they were quite effective. Is that not the case, then? You make it sound like it's a complete token gesture, and not very good at keeping aggro off at higher levels.

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Explosives can be used for pulling (dynamite, bombs, etc.) and for general ae damage with the big iron bomb. Explosive sheep are great for ae damage to a bunch of hostiles as well.

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How powerful are the explosives? Again, are they more or less a token gesture, or do they actually dish out quite a lot of damage? Compared to, say, a caster's direct damage spell?

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Harvest reapers are like pets, but you can't control them, they just fight for you then die.

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So they just attack anything that attacks you? Or do they go on some sort of kill crazy rampage and attack any hostile within sight? It was mentioned earlier that you could set your pets to passive and aggressive mode to determine how they react to mobs around them. Can you do that with mechanical pets?

Sorry for all the questions, I just can't find many good resources on the Engineers, and I'm a bit worried that if I picked it as one of my tradeskills, I'd just end up useless and broke.

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Okay, newbie here, jumping on the Question and Answer bandwagon, since this thread is rapidly becoming the definitive authority on beta.

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I agree definitely , i would even post the link on battlenet ( if not already done maybe) but obviously the lamers and annoyign posters couldnt remains on the Starcraft , war3 and d2 parts of it ... moronism transcend games -_- . For the incredules and for those wich still believe most human are smarts go get a look ... you could as an exemple see whiners debating ( of course by that i mean swearing , l33t talking , CAPS SHOUTING , threat etc...) about weither a guy named Khaz , wich in appearance is a pretty old poster , and always helped people there , should or shouldnt have receive access to beta... Oh and you could see as many posts of people whining (well its always about that anyway lol) about the blizzard name policy wich is oddly pretty much the same than in most mmorpg and even less harsh... -_-

Of course among the mass of blizzard "haters" (wich btw for an unknown reason oddly stick onto their games and forum O_o) you could see some bright lights of intelligence but alas way too quickly washed by the permanent flood and filth of idiocy... ( in short too many post all the time , so only the pop one stay at tops , and whining is the most popular activity there)

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Originally Posted by silverblaze

Face it, we all wanted to play wizards cause Gandalf was the shit. Come on say it with me now~

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Guilty as charged. :D

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Originally Posted by silverblaze
Face it, we all wanted to play wizards cause Gandalf was the shit. Come on say it with me now~

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mmm nope :p :)
i liked gandalf but as for the magic part , he didnt or wasnt allowed to do much... :p

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I agree definitely , i would even post the link on battlenet ( if not already done maybe)

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It wasn't just mentioned, it was stickied for a while. That's how I found it in the first place, days and days ago. Furthermore, as someone said further up there, it's mentioned on the official worldofwarcraft.com main page.

I had another question that seemed kinda important to me, but I forgot. I'm gonna go cry in the corner now. =/

Edit: Just discovered another thread that appeared as I was catching up on this one... removed the question about guns

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Originally Posted by Neener

Hmm, only a weak taunt? I was reading one of the journal's over at taurentotem.com and it seemed like they were quite effective. Is that not the case, then? You make it sound like it's a complete token gesture, and not very good at keeping aggro off at higher levels.

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They have decent taunt, but you build higher level targetting dummies to deal with higher level foes.

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How powerful are the explosives? Again, are they more or less a token gesture, or do they actually dish out quite a lot of damage? Compared to, say, a caster's direct damage spell?

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They don't compete with a caster's damage, but the damage is significant and noticeable.

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So they just attack anything that attacks you? Or do they go on some sort of kill crazy rampage and attack any hostile within sight? It was mentioned earlier that you could set your pets to passive and aggressive mode to determine how they react to mobs around them. Can you do that with mechanical pets?

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Mechanical squirrels do nothing but follow you around.

Explosive sheep target the nearest enemy, charge and explode.

Harvest Reapers are actual pets you can command, etc. (I can make them, but haven't yet, due to resource limitations, but am passing along what I've been told.)

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Sorry for all the questions, I just can't find many good resources on the Engineers, and I'm a bit worried that if I picked it as one of my tradeskills, I'd just end up useless and broke.

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I actually have a spreadsheet for engineering, but it's in Word format. If some kind mod wants to enable HTML on this board or convert it to a message-board-friendly table for me, I'll be glad to post it on its own thread and answer any engineering-specific questions.

I will say I think engineering is of mixed utility for non-gun-using-hunters, though, just like blacksmithing is of mixed utility for someone who can't wear mail armor.

Engineering is at the moment just a self indulgent hobby. You make neat little trinkets for you and your friends (mechanical squirrels), really nice guns and ammo for your gun toting buddies and clients, and you make stuff that goes boom! The market for engineered goods is really based in practice locks and guns. You might get a clientele for ammo too, but that's about it. As far as a guild use for an engineer, they will supply your hunters with guns and ammo, and it's always good to have an engineer around.

Do you remember the move "The Goonies"? The little oriental kid who had all sorts of inventions that came in handy? He would have been a WoW engineer.

Say I was a level one tauren and I had a friend who was a level one orc, would it be possible for me to die on purpose and run to Ogrimmar is ghost mode and just getting rezed there?

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Originally Posted by Auca

Say I was a level one tauren and I had a friend who was a level one orc, would it be possible for me to die on purpose and run to Ogrimmar is ghost mode and just getting rezed there?

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Yes.

You'll go into negative experience, but sure.

You won't be in Orgymarr, though, but instead in The Den, which is the Orc & Troll newbie area.

There's no real reason to do that, though, since the newbie areas are generally tailor made to fit your race and their ideals, introduce you to the game, and get you to level 5 or 6 before kicking you out of the enclosed, encapsulated microcosm of the newbie areas into the real world and bigger dangers.

Easier to just meet up after those newbie levels are over. ;)

Can anyone answer my question about whether or not it "feels" like your weapon is hitting a creep or not instead of just hitting air? Is there a loud sound when your weapon connects, and is there any sort of animation (sparks, blood, little rays of light, whatever) showing that you hit?

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You die, you have 5 minutes to get a player rez or use a Soulstone to self-rez or to instead Release your spirit, when you can either click the Spiritbinder guy, where you appear as a ghost, to lose some experience and resurrect at that spot, or run back as a ghost to an area near your corpse and resurrect.

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So you can get a rez instantly by clicking a Spiritbinder? Exactly how fast can you get to he Spiritbinder to rez? I am just thinking of the idea of rez-rushing raid mobs.

I remember trying to kill Cazic-Thule in Fear when the cap was 60. We just rushed at him and had a few clerics with rez-sticks instantly rez anyone who died.

I would like to see this tactic go away and not be abused in WoW.

I believe when you use the spiritbinder you just lose experience and shift out of ghost mode rather than being teleported to your place of death.

I'm not what you'd call a regular here on Graffe's.. although.. this is where I come to read the boards and look up info.. as most level 65 wizards do. But I just wanted to post and say that was a great write-up Whiz.

I started Alpha in Dec.. for the undead push and first character was of course a warlock. Currently a Dwarf Paladin :)

Excellent job and info.. was nice to see Blizzard link your thread on the patcher/page.

See you in WoW sometime :)

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Can anyone answer my question about whether or not it "feels" like your weapon is hitting a creep or not instead of just hitting air? Is there a loud sound when your weapon connects, and is there any sort of animation (sparks, blood, little rays of light, whatever) showing that you hit?

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When you get hit, there is a little spray of blood, and there is body movement as you are taking the hit. There are sounds when you hit the mob, they sound like you are hitting it with a sword, mace, staff, and dagger. The blood you see isn't some kind of spray-bloodbath kinda thing that's going to make people sick, it's just a little splash then it's gone.

Hiya can i just say that wizzy ur posting seems bias - just seemed this si your first MMORPG - just my opinion but back to my post - is there any RvR in WoW? Future plans for any RvR in WoW?

The games that will outlast all the others, are ones that YOU as a gamer have a POSITIVE oppotunity impact upon, i.e the RvR games. WoW is gona be the "first love" of battle net'rs and like who have never palyed any other MMORPGs. DAoC will outlast any of these games, because EverCamp and Ultima Offline plainly suck thru their limitation of just exp and pvping. I read you said there is consentual pvp? Yes, the same thing in DAoC, only the bars are no longer held in RvR fields.

It looks pretty, but i dont't tihnk it will last.

My 2 cents