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Anne Rice, author
loved her Vampire trilogy back in the day
It was way longer than a trilogy -- unfortunately, since the quality tailed off badly after the first three, in my recollection. But those initial books created the modern template for vampires -- without her, there's no Twilight series -- which makes her arguably the most influential horror novelist since Stephen King.
And she helped keep her native New Orleans prominent as a setting for stories. I might never have visited that town if not for her work.
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Last night we lost one of the legends of Mariachi, Mr Vicente Fernandez. Not one of the three roosters (Infante, Negrete, Solis), but one who carried their traditions from the famous Mexican Silverscreen into the modern Golden age of Cinema, and blended it with modern crooner interpretations of Norteña music.
He was never my go to, as the Gallos were always my preferred, but he repopularized it and kept it afloat, filling stadiums and arenas around the world when he would tour.
Another legend gone, at 81. The same age as my father, born just a few weeks after, and left a few months later.
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A genuine local hero, few will have ever heard of even here
Wonder if he knew my Great Uncle Will?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...edgdhp&pc=U531
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The circumstances of this are awful:
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...park?_amp=true
Drakeo the rapper, stabbed to death at LA music festival, backstage by mob.
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CRAP!! "River" the dog they used to model/voice Dogmeat in Fallout 4 died earlier this year, didn't know to now (or my crappy memory may have frizzed again) :(
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/river-the...meat-has-died/
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You can make a good case that he's one of, if not the most influential figure in NFL history, given his impact in multiple venues:
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-legend-...001516310.html
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I don't think anyone would argue that.
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Absolute legend.
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And right on Madden's heels, a guy who was Senate majority leader for several years:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/for...eid-dies-at-82
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Absolute legend.
I was just talking about Madden the other day. He brought a lot of people into the game.
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And right on Madden's heels, a guy who was Senate majority leader for several years:[/URL]
Harry Reid was getting more and more vocal about UFOs/UAPs since retiring.
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in some ways you can say he is the reason the NFL is how big it is today. And he absolutely changed color commentary for the game and for the better, And as much as we rib on the telestrator in comedy he used it great to explain what happened in a play.
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And he absolutely changed color commentary for the game and for the better, And as much as we rib on the telestrator in comedy he used it great to explain what happened in a play.
I couldn't agree more. As great of a coach as he was he was even better in the booth.
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I found it really bizarre he died right after his big special (which was pretty awesome btw)
"All Madden" on FOX.
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I found it really bizarre he died right after his big special (which was pretty awesome btw)
"All Madden" on FOX.
Besides Chick Hearn and Harry Caray (the towers of their respective sports), John Madden is the only other quotable sports announcer.
We've lost all 3 unfortunately.
It will be a long time before anyone can have that kind of awesome for casting any sport.
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I guess it had to happen someday, but still feels like "No way!" moment for some reason:
https://www.tmz.com/2021/12/31/betty...-golden-girls/
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I guess it had to happen someday, but still feels like "No way!" moment for some reason:
100%. RIP
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Betty White RIP
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bet...ay-2021-12-31/
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From 2012 until 2020 I named her at the beginning of each year.
2021 I did not.
Sorry Betty.
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It's People Magazine that needs to apologize, for the "She's 100!" cover they just put out. Major jinx!
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This guy rarely got plaudits, but he won more than 200 games, took three franchises to the playoffs and made four Super Bowl appearances with teams that probably had no business being in the big game in the first place, so he clearly knew something:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...player-dies-77
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This guy rarely got plaudits, but he won more than 200 games, took three franchises to the playoffs and made four Super Bowl appearances with teams that probably had no business being in the big game in the first place, so he clearly knew something:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...player-dies-77
His results prove he was definitely a first rate coach.
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Kenyan paleoanthropologist Richard Leakey dies at 77
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NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — Paleoanthropologist Richard Leakey, known for his fossil-finding and conservation work in his native Kenya, has died at 77, Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta announced Sunday evening.
The cause of death was not announced.
Leakey, the son of globally known anthropologists Louis and Mary Leakey, also held a number of public service leadership roles including director of the National Museums of Kenya and what became the Kenya Wildlife Service, Kenyatta’s statement said.
“We are deeply saddened to learn about the news of the death of our founder,” the conservation group WildlifeDirect said.
The group’s CEO, Paula Kahumbu, said Leakey had “a natural sense of leadership, old-fashioned but straightforward. His memory was super sharp and his ability to hold many ideas in the air at once to find common threads was phenomenal. He will be dearly missed.”
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The weird looking (thanks to grossly abused plastic surgery) Bodganoff brothers, both dead from Covid
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...?ocid=msedgdhp
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Christos Achilleos, one of my favourite artists, died in December last year, that utterly BLOWS!!! :(
He was amazing, did the covers for so many great novels and games in the 1970s and 80s, Dr Who, Robert Howard, Fighting Fantasy, games Workshop, you name it, cannot recommend his art work enough!
Still have one of his posters up on my wall (Orc's war banner)
Sigh, past 2 years fekkin suck
https://boingboing.net/2021/12/10/le...ead-at-74.html
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This guy rarely got plaudits, but he won more than 200 games, took three franchises to the playoffs and made four Super Bowl appearances with teams that probably had no business being in the big game in the first place, so he clearly knew something:
I remember watching him play for the Cowboys when I was a kid, he was one tough player, and like you said, underrated coach. Hell, I even half cheered for the Giants simply because he was their coach. This video is one of my favorites from his playing days (sorry it's blocked here, but you can watch it on Youtube):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rF8297IrE8
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Peace out, Syd. You lived an amazing and fruitful life.
"consider the lillies if the field. They toil not, and neither do they spin."
https://www.tmz.com/2022/01/07/sidne...7S2nDewj3AJ29o
Sydney Poitier, 94
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WTF, Bob Saget was 65? Felt like he was perpetually gonna be the age he was Full House and America's Funniest Home Videos.
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Yvette Mimieux :(
damn she was cute in "The Time Machine", sigh
https://deadline.com/2022/01/yvette-...ywmgRG0-sP7lcY
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I just watched "The Black Hole" (which she is in) a couple of weeks ago, since I'd only ever seen it once in a school assembly in grade seven and didn't really remember much of it. She was in her late 30's in that film and still stunning.
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I forgot he was still alive. But now, like a bat out of hell, he's gone, gone, gone.
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I forgot he was still alive. But now, like a bat out of hell, he's gone, gone, gone.
My favorite of any of his songs was Paradise By The Dashboard Light, it was epic. I actually thought he had died as well, I was thinking he had some serious health issues in the past.
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I thought he was funny, and I loved his cartoon from the late 90s, I used to watch it with my daughter.
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Best known for one of my favorite comedy series ever, WKRP in Cincinnati, Howard Hesseman (Dr. Johnny Fever).
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/a...5c922fdfe03089
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Luis from Sesame Street, 81, multiple myeloma (blood cancer):
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A long and varied career, but I will dredge up a memory of a role that probably will not be among his most fondly remembered:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB97-2Voxdw
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I quite liked that role and it was actually the first one I thought of when I thought of him.
The only reason it came to mind first, though, is because I'd completely forgotten that he was in Dark City just two years before that.
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The first movie I saw starring William Hurt was Altered States in the 80's, and it is still what I think of first when I see his name.
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I thought the bump might be because Scott Hall, pro wrestler once known as Razor Ramon, just passed after complications from hip surgery.
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I thought the bump might be because Scott Hall, pro wrestler once known as Razor Ramon, just passed after complications from hip surgery.
One of the most significant wrestlers of the 1990s despite never holding the world title in WWF or WCW. Hall jumping ship with Kevin Nash to form the NWO with Hogan had seismic effects in the industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQck1vcv8os
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The first movie I saw starring William Hurt was Altered States in the 80's, and it is still what I think of first when I see his name.
Same.
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I'm not a big Foo Fighters fan, but I feel sad, nonetheless -- he always seemed like a cool dude. And he inducted Rush into the HoF, so megapoints for that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTz2TDr79eI
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He got out from behind the drums for special occasions, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbNVIPAABgw
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I feel for Tzakapotek - he and Taylor were friends.
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Being a huge Foo Fighters fan, this is an absolute kick to the head, Hawkins was Grohl's right-hand man and best bud. I've seen them live twice and Hawkins could really smash the skins. Moon, Bonham and now Hawkins all taken way too soon.
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Estelle Harris, George's mother on "Seinfeld", 93: link.
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Former Ohio State star and WFT first-round pick Dwayne Haskins fatally struck by a dump truck:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...nly-story.html
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He used his annoying voice to his best advantage. RIP
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Well that sucks, I was a fan. His voice cracked me up.
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I loved gilbert gottfried.
My last name is Gill and when I was a teen, I used to do prank calls all the time and say that I was gilbert gottfried. He was my first inspiration for being a comic. I never had any styling similar to him, but I would often try and impersonate his perspective.
I *loved* him like no other comic.
I didn't go out of my way to see him like other comics, such as robin williams or mitch hedburg.
But Gilbert Gottfried was just like none other. I just loved watching and seeing him.
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Forgot to drop this in yesterday, but this was the greatest goal scorer in NHL history, bar none. Others have more goals because of longevity, but no one was better at it than Bossy, a seminal sports figure for anyone who grew up in the NY metro area in the 80s:
https://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...-dead-s0ht2l7x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8VutLh0N0Q
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Very sad, key part of one of the last dynasties in the NHL, but....
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Forgot to drop this in yesterday, but this was the greatest goal scorer in NHL history, bar none. Others have more goals because of longevity, but no one was better at it than Bossy....
Bossy - 0.762 G/GP over 752 games.
Mario Lemieux - 0.7754 G/GP over 915 games.
I'd argue that being able to score at almost the same pace but over a career that's over 20% longer makes Lemieux the better goal scorer. It's the "past his prime" games that beat up on a player's G/GP, and Lemieux had a lot more of those and still kept almost the same pace. Shit, Mario played over 300 games after getting and being treated for cancer!
Then you get into the era-adjusted stuff, and you really beat up on Bossy's numbers because of him playing in the most inflated era in league history. Bossy's 573 goals get knocked down to 461 with an era adjustment: link. Compare that to another top sniper, Pavel Bure, whose 437 career goals get adjusted up to 463, or Ovechkin going from 776 to 885. Bossy was great - one of the few members of the true 50 in 50 club - but "greatest... bar none"? No, there's debate and it's fair debate.
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I'd argue that being able to score at almost the same pace but over a career that's over 20% longer makes Lemieux the better goal scorer. It's the "past his prime" games that beat up on a player's G/GP, and Lemieux had a lot more of those and still kept almost the same pace.
Mario's per-game stats are skewed by '87-'89 — phenomenal seasons, no question, but no one has matched Bossy's nine straight of 50+ goals. Mario did it seven times total over 17 seasons; maybe if he didn't have the bad back, things would have been different, but you can say the same for Bossy, whose career ended prematurely because of back problems, and, to a lesser extent, knee issues.
And if we want to start adjusting for everything, Mario had the advantage of being surrounded by more offensive talent in his prime to take the pressure off -- when you have a season where Jaromir Jagr is only fifth on the team with a "mere" 94 points, the roster is stacked. On the Isles, after Bossy you had Trots (who was reduced to a 3rd-line center on Mario's Pens), then quite the drop-off to Gillies and Tonelli, who were good-but-not-great on offense.
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Mario's per-game stats are skewed by '87-'89 — phenomenal seasons, no question, but no one has matched Bossy's nine straight of 50+ goals.
With good reason - Bossy played in the biggest scoring era the game has ever seen. And if I'm looking to add a "best ever goal scorer", do I consider that to be the guy whose best season ranks 17th on the all-time goals in a season list (Bossy), or the guy who has four seasons better than 17th (Lemieux)? Do I pick the guy who led the league in goals two seasons (Bossy), or the one who did it three times (Lemieux)? How about I pick the guy who got better than a goal per game twice (Lemieux), versus the guy who was never even close to that (Bossy)?
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And if we want to start adjusting for everything, Mario had the advantage of being surrounded by more offensive talent in his prime to take the pressure off....
Did he? Let's look at Bossy's best years:
'77-'78 - Isles have three of the top six scorers in the league.
'78-'79 - Isles have four of the top ten scorers in the league.
'81-'82 - Isles have two of the top five scorers in the league.
Now let's look at Mario during the years you singled out, '87-'89, the year Jagr got the "mere" 94 points ('92-'93), and the one other season Mario did really well, '95-'96.
'86-'87 - Only Mario in top ten from the Pens.
'87-'88 - Only Mario in top ten.
'88-'89 - Three Pens in top six.
'92-'93 - Only Mario in top ten.
'95-'96 - Three Pens in top four.
Most seasons, Mario was carrying that team when he put up those numbers. One of the guys in '88-'89 that was in the top six was Rob "I get all my points when Mario bounces pucks off me" Brown! With Bossy, you have Trottier (who was the only Isle in the top ten in scoring for a few of Bossy's years), and you have one of the greatest offensive defensemen to ever play the game, Potvin, in his prime. The one guy who really could have carried the load for Mario, Jagr? Jagr led the league in scoring, while on the Pens, five different seasons. In those five seasons Mario played a total of 43 games.
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On the Isles, after Bossy you had Trots (who was reduced to a 3rd-line center on Mario's Pens)....
This is one heck of a dishonest comparison, implying Trottier was not amazing with the Isles because he was a third liner when he was age 34+ with the Penguins. Are we entering the part of the discussion where you'll say just about anything to make your position look good?
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Forgot to drop this in yesterday, but this was the greatest goal scorer in NHL history, bar none. Others have more goals because of longevity, but no one was better at it than Bossy, a seminal sports figure for anyone who grew up in the NY metro area in the 80s:
Yeesh.
Stolen from another board, but:
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At 30 years old Bossy had 573 goals in 752 games (0.762 goals per game). He didn't play a game past 30.
At 30 years old Mario had 563 goals in 669 games (0.842 goals per game).
From 31 to 35 Mario only played 119 games, but scored 85 goals (0.714)
From 36 to 40 he only scored 42 goals in 127 games (0.331)
Apples to apples (prime) comparison, Lemieux was better. Peak comparison, Lemieux was better and it's not particularly close.
Just say Bossy was one of the greatest scorers, and everybody agrees. Making "the greatest" claims is unnecessarily controversial, especially when it's this much of a stretch.
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As I said, Mario's best years were phenomenal, but no one has been as consistently great of a scorer as Bossy, so I'm putting Bossy at No. 1. I'm surprised that this is considered a controversial statement.
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I guess it's that generation's time to shine in the obits section, as the hockey hits keep coming:
Hockey Hall of Famer Guy Lafleur dies at age 70
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The "Mad Bomber" dies:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ca-dies-age-80
He was one of the "old school" Raiders that made me a fan of them when I was a kid, loved the bombs he threw.
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The timing of Lamonica's death drives home how young Madden was when he took over the Raiders -- he was only five years older than his starting QB, and actually quite a bit younger than the backup. Al Davis really had something going with that team at the time.
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Lafleur had been off his cancer meds for a bit now, so it was expected. Still sad, though. I was at his last game in Vancouver with the Nordiques, and the Canucks gave him a reclining chair to enjoy in his retirement (everyone knew it was his final season). Not many players get given gifts by opposing teams.
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Country music icon in her own right, and also the mom of Ashley and Wynona:
https://www.tennessean.com/story/ent...76/9601522002/
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If there were a Mt. Rushmore of comic book artists, this guy would be on it:
Yep, he is actually my all time favorite comic book artist. He has many of the most iconic covers in history. -Truly legendary.
I've got most of his key Batman, Superman and Green Lantern issues.
I just picked up GL 85 and 87 (the last two GL issues I needed) because the values are going to skyrocket.
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And another superhero artist passes beyond The Source. One of the most popular comic-book illustrators of the 1980s, and though his particular brand of "realistic" rendering wasn't widely emulated, he did draw the series that remains the template for brand-wide crossovers:
https://www.ign.com/articles/george-...ist-dies-at-67
https://youtu.be/NIH3dbQftAc
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Dayumn, that's sad. Another favorite.
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I really enjoyed him as an actor, I just with Remo Williams had been allowed to continue his adventure. RIP
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The Guardian: Vangelis, composer of Chariots of Fire and Blade Runner soundtracks, dies aged 79.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...de-runner-dies
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If you designed the X-wing, TIE fighter and star destroyer, you left an indelible mark on sci-fi:
Star Wars spacecraft designer Colin Cantwell dies aged 90 - BBC News
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He was a great actor. I know Goodfellas was one of his best known roles, but I really liked him in Field Of Dreams, especially the line about Ty Cobb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNx5btDktsI
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Depeche Mode’s Andy Fletcher dies at 60
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/enter...cec/index.html
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Ray Liotta :-(
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/new...31890a589a31cd
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Yeah he has had some iconic roles. R.I.P.
One of my favorites of his is actually an obscure old '80's movie, Something Wild.
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Yeah he has had some iconic roles. R.I.P.
One of my favorites of his is actually an obscure old '80's movie, Something Wild.
Something Wild was a good movie. Great soundtrack too.
https://g.co/kgs/rnWj2k
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Andy "Fletch" Fletcher of Depeche Mode has died. He was only 67 years old, but his influence and creativity for the band meant more than just about anything else.
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Andy "Fletch" Fletcher of Depeche Mode has died. He was only 67 years old, but his influence and creativity for the band meant more than just about anything else.
https://www.graffes.com/forums/showt...=1#post1919274
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Abe Shinzo, former prime Minister of Japan, assassinated in public gathering
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Paulie Walnuts now hanging out at the Bada-Bing of eternity: (refresh if you don't see tweet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XMuRfUhnwY
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David Warner, 80, cancer-related illness. You may remember him as the guy who made Picard scream about lights on ST:TNG:
https://gizmodo.com/rip-david-warner...men-1849326425
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Yeah Nichelle Nichols and Bill Russell. Jeebus.
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I didn't realize, as a non-basketball person, exactly how much of a championship player Bill Russell was until I started reading the obits. He was the Jean Beliveau of basketball!
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I have to confess I wasn't aware of how statistically dominant he was either. 21 - 0 in "winner take all" games, including NBA game 7 championships, NCAA college basketball championships, and Olympic gold medal games. I don't know of any athlete in any sport more successful.
