Draining Arizona: Mining For Water In The Desert Leaves Residents' Wells Dry
Draining Arizona: Mining For Water In The Desert Leaves Residents' Wells Dry | NBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZwBSjBgMXg
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The small desert town of Willcox, Arizona survives off groundwater. Families are running out of water as their wells dry up, and residents are blaming newly-arrived, out-of-state corporate farms. Residents say they fear one operation in particular, Riverview LLP, that came to Cochise County in 2014, sunk dozens of deep wells, and increased pumping to support two 65,000 cow dairy feedlots.
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the town or county should probably revoke the corporations operating permits until they drill the residents deeper wells.
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sorry, but that kind of farming should be regarded as terrorism and those doing it dealt with as such
destroying ground water, especially non-renewables should be a capitol crime.
You shoot one person, that's bad, a dozen it's ghastly
but drain off or poison water and you kill COMMUNITIES, possibly forever
what's often forgotten with this type of selfish farming is that it builds up poisons in the soil, as it doesn't have the sluicing of enough water to drain poisons away AND damming and misuse of water downstream in US builds that shit up elsewhere
see the toxic salt ponds in California for example, those are bloody disaster waiting to happen
add in pesticides and industrial pollution....
instead of all this disgusting rotating farming to extreme, they should have been forced by law to build FORESTS and woods to encourage local microclimate change to bring more rain.
takes ages, lot of work to figure where it can or should be done, but hey, fat chance it's not "Profit for the ungodly whoresons destroying our entire Earth" (tm)
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Arizona is going to have a lot more water issues in the next 30 years. They are going to be forced to choose between draining Lake Mead at a faster rate and reducing the amount of electricity available or buying expensive water from desalinization plants in California (which I'm not sure if they even exist yet but I've read about them planning a bunch of them).
I wouldn't be making long term plans to live anywhere in the south, really and I'd be encouraging my kids to look north for jobs. Easier said than done though. Corporations and businesses won't start moving until property values start to collapse and by then it's too late.
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Las Vegas is already draining Lake Meade too fast. If the government flips blue in 2020 one of the first environmental policies they need to do is crack down on southwestern water usage. While it would not hit this farm in the video one item I would ban is ALL non agricultural irrigation. Lawns and Golf courses have no place in a desert they are a needless waste of limited fresh water.
Wanna golf? Drive somewhere that grass is natural.
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Filan
my uncle who moved to Arizona in early 1950s was a mad keen golfer, and oen reason I'm pretty sure he like his sister moved to the USA was cause they were the conservatives of the family and everyone else staunchly on the other side :p
he lived in Phoenix and basically he and his sons built a LOT of homes and small business for many folk there back in the day
My uncle though, was NOT a frikkin moron, last I met him oh 15? years ago his thoughts on the Republican party had become of the "rota rooter up the ass of the crooked bastards" type lol
NOT a happy man wit all the crap
and he lambasted the insane waste of water on golf courses, he adored golfing but went ballistic on frikkin GREENS in a bastard DESERT!
and that's where I learned about the criminal drainage of the water table under Phoenix
seriously, it should be treated as an offence as serious as mass murder because that's what it is...Phoenix is, short of a miracle, going to DIE this century
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FilanFyretracker
Las Vegas is already draining Lake Meade too fast. If the government flips blue in 2020 one of the first environmental policies they need to do is crack down on southwestern water usage. While it would not hit this farm in the video one item I would ban is ALL non agricultural irrigation. Lawns and Golf courses have no place in a desert they are a needless waste of limited fresh water.
Wanna golf? Drive somewhere that grass is natural.
And, you know, crack down on over-saturation of corporate headquarters.
I'm definitely on the "golf courses should go away" bandwagon, though.
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Didn't they build an indoor golf course in Dubai? I know they have an indoor ski slope.
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Dramadon
Didn't they build an indoor golf course in Dubai? I know they have an indoor ski slope.
Oh, probably. At least it's indoors.
Temperature and sunlight controlled are less likely to evaporate the irrigation as quickly than, say, the surface of Arrakis.
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Merrick ap'Milandra
Oh, probably. At least it's indoors.
Temperature and sunlight controlled are less likely to evaporate the irrigation as quickly than, say, the surface of Arrakis.
True. I suppose if they used solar power for electricity that would mitigate that carbon footprint as well.
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Dramadon
True. I suppose if they used solar power for electricity that would mitigate that carbon footprint as well.
That and not spraying water everywhere it would immediately evaporate might make more sense.
Minnesota has some harsh summers where we get sunlight that scorches the grass at 90+ degrees farenheit and 85%+ humidity with absolutely NO BREEZE.
It doesn't matter when you water your lawn or how many times a day if there's not good shade cover.
Arizona gets to no tree cover and higher temperatures.
It's time for the next generation to realize that if it doesn't grow in your region naturally, it's time to stop artificially planting things for some kind of "beautification".
No more "short-trimmed" lawns like golf courses, no more kentucky bluegrass in an area that prunes trees and eliminates shade.
I learned a long time ago that this place frosted too early for me to plant rosebushes like my grandmother half a nation south from me used to do from Jackson & Perkins and that's accepting hemispheric reality.
Welcome to the globe. Some shit grows naturally in regions. Stop trying to force stuff in areas that it doesn't.
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Some of that will take actual laws, HOAs in some of these places require lawns and require people to water them. But with law that automatically cancels all HOA rules related to such things since contracts can never legally override law.
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FilanFyretracker
Some of that will take actual laws, HOAs in some of these places require lawns and require people to water them. But with law that automatically cancels all HOA rules related to such things since contracts can never legally override law.
County, City, and Province laws override every HOA Board rule I've ever seen.
I speak as a past decade-long member of an HOA board in one area and an advisor to several others in different areas due to my directorial experience.
I've seen HOA's try to influence politics.
I've never seen it work out, I've only seen it stall "friendly" action by people who know people with things like car booting.
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Oh, and I did see people get towed without violating any rules.
Turns out anyone can call a towing company, they just have to pay for the repercussions when they're found out.
Apparently dropping half of your monthly mortgage on a towing charge is worth it to inconvenience a neighbor you don't like for a day or two....for some morons.
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there's never a lack of morons....
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The Town Trying to Pump Billions of Gallons of Water to Their Desert Community
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWpui1P9cAY
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That's why I tell people to not invest too much in property in the desert southwest, or Florida for that matter. It's fine if you are looking for a 10-20 year investment, but you are pushing it for much longer than that.
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As a tip for you all who live in water stressed regions:
you know the electric home dehumidifier you can get?
they can distill potable water from the atmosphere as part of their function!
that isn't a joke, I would strongly recommended you all in such areas get a solar system with back up panels and parts,
and if possible versions with water-cooled panels (keeps the panels working more efficiently for longer which is an issue in extreme heat)
to power the most important thing in your lives one day: WATER extraction
those home (ordinary) dehumidifiers extract between 500ml to 30litres of water per day depending on size
and are quiet cheap, VERY cheap when you ever consider how bad dying of thirst maybe
With recent hacks of majorly important systems, and other issues such as the failing US grid, please for once people, listen to me on this :)
My country is blessed (lol!) with abundant rain, we are extremely lucky in that.
Most of you have never known what real hunger or thirst is, i HAVE though to an extent but thank God not like the poor bastards in many parts of the world, as when i was a kid and got my insides burned out by corrosive weedkiller (grr thanks Dad!)
So I suffered years of serious stomach problems and hospitalizations, sometimes ending up on near starvation diets, unable to keep food down at others etc etc, a very sobering lesson :(
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China is just pumping water from one side of the country to the other... :wtf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbR-c2qtxEg
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Ackar
The advantage of a dictatorship...or whatever you call China's government these days. If you want something done, you just make it happen. No pesky laws, land rights, or opposition. The disadvantage is if you are in the way of something they want to do you get run over like a steam roller and there isn't anything you can do but bend over and grab your ankles.
